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StrategicVision: PA, WA, WI (10/31-11/2)

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Strategic Vision (R)
10/31 - 11/2/08
Mode: Live Telephone Interviews

Pennsylvania 1,200 LV
Obama 51, McCain 44

Washington 800 LV
Obama 55, McCain 40
Gov: Gregoire (D-i) 50, Rossi (R) 48

Wisconsin 800 LV
Obama 53, McCain 40

 

Comments
Dan:

nice

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mandalorianarmy:

Remember that Wisconsin was won by less than 1% in the last two elections? That should tell you something.

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couseydee:

I would love to see what McCain's "internals" for Penn look like.

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Nottoolate:

Folks- and I am talking to the Dems on here- please think about what you are trying to do to our country. When you walk into that voting booth tomorrow- please think about what BHO really is, and if you really want to be in a great depression.
Thinl if you really want to see small business close down everywhere. Think if you really want to see bug business start laying off employees left and right.
Think if you really want to see Drs. offices everywhere become boutique shops that only cater to the very wealthy- and you don't get any decent healthcare at all.
Think if you really want the commander of the most important military in the world to have so little experience-- and ties to terrorists.
Think if you really want Michelle O to be the first lady of these United States.
Please.

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couseydee:

I would love to see what McCain's "internals" for Penn look like.

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asquared:

No good news for the Reps from their own pollster

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political_junki:

WOW, if Strategic Vision is giving O+9 in PA, it is over...

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Dewey1858:

@Nottoolate:
Folks- and I am talking to the Dems on here- please think about what you are trying to do to our country. When you walk into that voting booth tomorrow- please think about what BHO really is, and if you really want to be in a great depression.

Gee, the RNC GOTV effort, right here on our own website.

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couseydee:

I've thought about it NotTooLate. I'm voting BHO.
I have a proposition for you- THINK of a 72 year old president, and THINK of Sarah Palin.

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Lappel1:

@ nottoolate

I think the bug business can take care of itself.

As for you, my friend, my advice is, don't worry, be happy.

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ucla54:

HEY "Nottoolate"

I have thought about it....and I'm voting for B"H"O.......!

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Nottoolate:

One more thing. Guys, we are not voting against Bush tomorrow. We have the opportunity- in private- in a voting booth - to vote for a man who truly loves his country and will govern with her best interests at heart.
Just please think about it, and do what you think is truly the right thing.
Thanks for reading.

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Isher:

Nottoolate said "Think if you really want Michelle O to be the first lady of these United States."

I'd love to see the look on your face when she's in there. I think she'll look great, and it's clear she has composure and class. Not only that, she'd be one of the most educated first ladies we've had.

I wonder what kind of trash would have a problem with her being the first lady?

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Nowukkers:

Nottoolate:
Do you remember what the family car looked like when we handed it to the GOP 8 years ago? Do you see what it looks like now? Do you think we're keen to hand the GOP the keys again for another four years?

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pbcrunch:

Nottoolate:

I would love to have Michelle Obama has the First Lady.

And could you have proofread your post for blatant spelling errors?

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WebToe:

@Nottoolate

I think your comments are too late, as the Repub's have already brought us to the brink. You should have thought about it when you voted for 'the guy you would like to have a beer with' the last two times.

TIme for a NEW DIRECTION!!!

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oicu:

@nottoolate:

yes, I definitely want to see Michelle O as first lady.


and, BTW, it is too late. ;-)

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carl29:

Poor McMaverick, not even a Republican pollster has him leading in PA. Actually it is showing him doing worse than before,

NOW: Obama 51% McCain 44% Obama +7


BEFORE:
Strategic Vision 10/27 - 10/29 49 44 Obama +5


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platanoman:

Wow Strategic vision had Obama up by only 4 a couple of days ago

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mirrorball:

Well, here's the latest from Rick Davis on why McCain might win PA.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/11/03/politics/fromtheroad/entry4566914.shtml

“You look at Pennsylvania, for instance. He’s underperforming Kerry in almost every one of the Kerry counties outside of Philadelphia. We’re over performing Bush in almost in almost every one of the Bush counties in Pennsylvania. So, I mean, he’s not getting the Democratic vote and we’re getting more than our share of the Republican vote, but his margin in Philadelphia, again, very much like Miami, it’s 40-plus. The last poll I saw had him plus 40 in Philadelphia,” Davis said.

“Bush lost Philadelphia by 18 percent, so you’re not going to lose it by 40. If you can figure out what I’ll lose it by, you’ll know whether or not I can win Pennsylvania.”

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Save US:

@Nottoolate:

I would love to see a calm, intelligent and collected person as president during these times... Not an erratic one

I would love to see Michele Obama, a Yale graduate and down to earth person as the first lady and not and multi billionaire born with a silver spoon...

By the way... the only difference between Bush and McCain was that Bush was a better pilot!

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MDB1974:

I am talking to the republicans in here- please think about what you are trying to do to our country. When you walk into that voting booth tomorrow- please think about what JMac really is, and if you really want to be in a great depression.
Thinl if you really want to see small business close down everywhere. Think if you really want to see bug business start laying off employees left and right.
Think if you really want to see Drs. offices everywhere become boutique shops that only cater to the very wealthy- and you don't get any decent healthcare at all.
Think if you really want the commander of the most important military in the world to have such a lack of judgement-- and ties to terrorists such as G. Gordon Litty.
Think if you really want a recovering (maybe) druggy to be the first lady of these United States.
Please.

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bmrKY:

@Nottoolate

Oh yeah, "Michelle O" would definately be a real disgrace after 8 years of Laura Bush who ran over and killed a guy. How awful it would be to have a First Lady who graduated from Princeton and Harvard, and who can actually think for herself. Oh good lord, we certainly don't want INTELLIGENT people back in the White House! These last 8 years have been so great with complete morons running the show, let's give 'em another shot! Think about it America-- do you REALLY want an intelligent guy who can talk in complete sentences running the show, or a Joe Six Pack who has crashed 5 planes and his running mate Annie Oakley who shoots animals out of airplanes?

Get real, pal.

Boomshak, is that you?

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mac7396:

@ Nottoolate:

Another great depression? Dude, look around. The economy is in the tank. The repubs have been in control for 8 years. Bill Clinton brought records surpluses. GWB brought a record deficit, and borrowed billions from the Chinese that your children will have to someday pay off. Stop drinking the GOP kool-aid and vote for Obama.

And what's wrong with Michelle O.? She's about a million times more in touch with the common man than the McSame beer heiress.

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pbcrunch:

Nottolate:

Do you really want McCain's finger on the red button? What from the past months of campaigning makes you think he has the temperament to be in charge of the most powerful military in the world and the ability to destroy the the world?

Also, do we need a president who has admitted to being broken as a POW? What sort of brain-washing did he go through?

/see, this game can be played by both sides.

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Hoosier:

A Nottoolate:

I have already given a great deal of thought to this election and am voting for Barack Obama.

The last eight years have been an absolute disaster for this nation. From our economic meltdown to a executive branch with a tendency to flirt with facism "Patriot Actg, Iraq prisoner torture, Gitmo, warrantless wiretapping of American citizens), I refuse to stand by and let this country slide farther and farther down a dark patch.

Not once have I heard Senator mcCain say how he will right the wrongs of the Bush era. All we have heard are red herrings about William Ayres, "anti-American ideas", and cartoonish characters like Sarah Palin and Joe the (unlicensed) Plumber.

So, to McCain and Palin, I say "Thanks, but no thanks."

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VermontWisdom:

Mr. Nottoolate, I've doing a LOT of thinking. I can hardly wait for tomorrow to cast my vote for Senator Obama. Don't worry, you'll wake up on Wednesday and the world will still be here. A much better world for us all.

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MatCauthon:

Hey NottooLate ---

Don't be sad... maybe palin will adopt you and take you to a happy place in Alaska.

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Joel:

Good to see Gregoire holding onto a lead even through the lens of a (R) pollster.

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tjampel:

When Republican-leaning Pollster Strategic Vision "throws in the towel" in PA by releasing a greater than MOE poll for Obama as its final poll I think we can....almost...say "The party's over..." but, almost is the operative word; gotta keep on moving till the polls close

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Joel:

"Just please think about it, and do what you think is truly the right thing."

Thought about it, and yep, a vote for Barack Hussein Obama is the right thing to do as far as I'm concerned.

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deman1972:

Those polls look really good!!!!

Oh I see the "spin machine" for the rethuglicans are here too!!!!

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deman1972:

Those polls look really good!!!!

Oh I see the "spin machine" for the rethuglicans are here too!!!!

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Trosen:

Nottoolate:
"We have the opportunity- in private- in a voting booth - to vote for a man who truly loves his country and will govern with her best interests at heart."


Which of course infers, that Obama does not "truly love his country." and would not govern with "her best interests at heart."

The saddest thing is, of course, that you won't realize that rhetoric is one of the main reasons why your candidate and your side is losing, badly.

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TeaLeaf96:

@Nottoolate

Don't have time to dispute all of your scurrilous claims, but here's a small list of recent presidents that entered office with less Nat'l Security experience than Obama has now:
- Ronald Reagan
- Bill Clinton
- George W. Bush (okay, bad example)

Oh yeah, and the prospect of Michelle becoming first lady is one of the big reasons we are voting for Obama.

If you're looking for a group of easily persuadable dullards, you've picked the wrong site!

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katocat:

@Nottoolate

Sorry it's too late. Already voted.

And yea, I thought about it a lot. The choice is obvious...

Barack Hussein Obama.

Maybe you should have thought it about more when you voted for Bush, eh?

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katocat:

@Nottoolate

Sorry it's too late. Already voted.

And yea, I thought about it a lot. The choice is obvious...

Barack Hussein Obama.

Maybe you should have thought about it more when you voted for Bush, eh?

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Michael:

"One more thing. Guys, we are not voting against Bush tomorrow. We have the opportunity- in private- in a voting booth - to vote for a man who truly loves his country and will govern with her best interests at heart.
Just please think about it, and do what you think is truly the right thing.
Thanks for reading."

Yup- his name is Barack Obama!

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NorseSoccer:

50-48 for the Washington Goveners race is so consistent from poll to poll. It's CRAZY!

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KMart Dad:

@nottoolate

I thought about it before I voted for Obama last week. I thought about it before I spent my weekend canvassing for Obama in rural MO. And I will gladly think about it when I hear Brian Williams declare, "the 44th President of the USA: Barack Obama".

How can you be so disparaging after what GWB has done to this country? The things you're describing are America under his rule, and would only get worse with McPalin in there. At least Obama gives us a reason to hope that things will get better.

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laguna_b:

@nottoolate
""Think if you really want Michelle O to be the first lady of these United States.""

Better than that scarey drugg addled bitch Cindy!

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CTPonix4BHObama:

@Nottoolate

I'm pretty sure we've been living everything you listed off for the past 8 years.

I was thinking today while at work, where I only get 15-20 hours a week now, about how the economy has been horrible for me for 2 years now. I pay 63$ a week for health ins. No one hires anymore and school has gone up 150$ a class since the past year. The Democrats have been trying to bring attention to the economy for over 2 years and it took a stock market crash to get the gop to even realize what people are going through...the problem, the gop just doesnt get the middle class has been hurting for a loooooong time.

Thats why i support BHO.

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zotz:

"Think if you really want to see bug business start laying off employees left and right."

That decides it! I will vote for McCain in order to save the bug businesses and their dedicated employees.

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Trosen:

laguna_b, now now.. no need to dive into the sewer with the trolls.

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laguna_b:

@CTPonix4BHObama:

You are lucky, I had to get a private plan like McCain proposes for ALL of us and pay $618 for crap coverage.

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thoughtful:

You know they just don't get it.

Americans need to vote for a positive.

The Republicans are the party of fear. We really are very fearful having had 8 years of this.

What have McCain/Palin offered other than more of the same and erratic reaction politics

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RaleighNC:

YES! Obama can't lose!

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CTPonix4BHObama:

@laguna

Well, like Obama talks about i'm chained to my health ins. I cant find a better job right now (pretend people are hiring) and I need health ins. cause I'm on meds that i need to take until i'm weened off so if I get a better diff job usually you dont get bene's for 6 months. Makes you feel like you're stuck...and thats a crappy feeling when you're 24.

At least I have a place to live, there's a lot to be thankful for too.

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Basil:

No to Latte

Why would we be trying to do something to our country? You're suggesting that D's are consciously trying to screw everybody? That's like McCain saying he's not questioning Obama's patriotism, but that he's a cheese-eating terrorist socialist surrender monkey! Very persuasive! Hello?

First lady? Michelle Obama's more qualified to be VP than Palin. But then she isn't running for VP.

If your kind of BS influences swing voters, they're swinging in the damn trees. But hey, we were all up there once. Try walking upright. You can see farther and your knuckles won't hurt so much.

Good job typing with your head, though.

BTW, McCain's not evil. He just brings out the worst in Americans like you. The irony is that Obama's policies will likely help you more than McCain's would.

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Louis:

Nottoolate:
You started with think. Since ido I alrady have voted for Obama.

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muckinello:

@nottoolate
I am getting ready to volunteer tonight and tomorrow for BHO
You, get ready to call him President Obama after tomorrow!

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Louis:

Nottoolate:
You started with think. Since I do I already have voted for Obama.

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Louis:

Nottoolate:
You started with think. Since I do I already have voted for Obama.

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When you walk in to the voting booth tommorrow, think about the last 8 years of record setting jobs losses, record setting budget and trade deficits, and the endless war in Iraq that Obama will end, but McCain has no plan to end. Our country can't afford 8 more years of the disasterous policies of the Republicans.

McCain and Palin have NO plan for the economy and NO plan to end the war in Iraq. A Republican is a Republican. I don't trust McCain and Palin.

Barack Obama will invest money for science, for health care, for education, and to help the people here in our own country.

Let us not forget the election in 2000 when Bush won the election by a 5 to 4 vote in the U.S. Supreme Court. Barack Obama and Joe Biden need every vote that they can get. Tell your friends and family to vote for Barack Obama. Tell the entire block where you live to vote for Barack Obama and have a car pool to the voting booth. The Democrats need a win!

VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA AND LETS GET A DEMOCRAT WIN ON NOVEMBER 4TH!



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counsellorben:

@mirrorball (quoting Rick Davis)

“You look at Pennsylvania, for instance. He’s underperforming Kerry in almost every one of the Kerry counties outside of Philadelphia. We’re over performing Bush in almost in almost every one of the Bush counties in Pennsylvania. So, I mean, he’s not getting the Democratic vote and we’re getting more than our share of the Republican vote, but his margin in Philadelphia, again, very much like Miami, it’s 40-plus. The last poll I saw had him plus 40 in Philadelphia,” Davis said.

“Bush lost Philadelphia by 18 percent, so you’re not going to lose it by 40. If you can figure out what I’ll lose it by, you’ll know whether or not I can win Pennsylvania.”

Wow, what a blatant lie about the Kerry/Bush margin in Philadelphia in 2004.  In 2004, the margin in Philadelphia was Kerry +61.

If we expand to include Philadelphia and the four suburban counties (Bucks, Chester, Delaware and Montgomery), then the 2004 margin in the five county Philadelphia metro area was Kerry +26.  Please note that in 2004, the Republicans had a registration edge of 240,000 in the four suburban counties.  In 2008, the Republicans have a registration edge of 439 in the four suburban counties.  Does Rick Davis really believe that Obama will win the five county Philadelphia region by less than Kerry's margin of +26?

The truth just is not in Rick Davis.

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bclintonk:

Not too late,

Too late, I've already voted for BHO. And boy, did it feel good. Like taking a long hot shower after lifting myself out of the sewer Bush has dragged us through these past eight years. My only regret is how this campaign has reduced John McCain, whom I once respected as a decent and honorable man who rose above the usual squalor of Washington politics, into just another cheap, mudslinging, lying, pandering, slandering, race-baiting pol, running one of the sleaziest presidential campaigns I've seen in my lifetime---and that's saying something after seeing Lee Atwater slime Michael Dukakis and Karl Rover slime Al Gore and John Kerry. But that was McCain's doing, not BHO's.

By the way, if McCain gets his way on health care, my employer would dump employer-paid health care coverage in a New York minute and I would be SOL owing to a chronic, incurable, and potentially debilitating condition that would make me uninsurable in the individual coverage market. So that would dump me into one of McCain's "high-risk pools"; in other words, I'd be lumped together with all the other uninsurable chronically sick, disabled, and end-of-life high-cost people to see if we could collectively bargain for a health care plan to cover all and only the most expensive patients. What kind of premiums would we need to pay, for what kind of coverage? Astronomical premiums, minimal coverage, that's for sure.

That's what these Republican dough-heads never seem to understand about health insurance; it works as insurance only if you pool sick people and healthy people in a single pool. If you separate them, the healthy people who don't need much health care will get nominally gold-plated coverage they'll never use at a very low cost, while the sick people will either be uninsurable or will get lousy and inadequate coverage at exhorbitant prices. McCain's $5,000 health care tax credit won't mean beans if I need to pay $30,000 for health care coverage and out-of-pocket medical costs. I'd have to be an idiot to support him with that kind of a health-care plan. And I'm not an idiot. BHO's plan, on the other hand, makes a lot of sense, and lets me keep the very good coverage I've already got which protects both me and my healthier co-workers.

One last thing: I adore Michelle Obama.

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WaveFunction:

Folks- and I am talking to the Dems on here- please think about what you are trying to do ' please think about what BHO really is,'

-An amazingly talented individual, the kind we need if we're going to get out of this mess with the clothes on our backs

" and if you really want to be in a great depression."

We're already headed for one

"Thinl if you really want to see small business close down everywhere. "

Already happening.

"Think if you really want to see bug business start laying off employees left and right."

Already happening.

"Think if you really want to see Drs. offices everywhere become boutique shops that only cater to the very wealthy- and you don't get any decent healthcare at all."

I've got a chronic illness and this is particularly offensive to me. I have no health insurance. In fact, it's exactly the way you described for me already - under the current 'private/free market' system that has failed so badly and discriminates against people like myself just so businessmen can profit. I prefer the guarantee of health care just like every other industrialized country, thank you very much.

"Think if you really want the commander of the most important military in the world to have so little experience--"

Rather than one who doesn't know the difference between tactics and strategy?

" and ties to terrorists."

You've been receiving GOP Talking Point Memos haven't you?

"Think if you really want Michelle O to be the first lady of these United States."

She's a wonderfully capable and smart woman and devoted mother. I would be honored to have her as my First Lady.

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IdahoMulato:

@ Nottoolate ....
I've already voted for BHO. You appear to be one of the Rush Limbaugh low information ditto heads crowd, who see everything in terms of people's color and not the content of their character.

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Daryl in San Antonio:

My wife and I have thought about it and voted for BHO! We've also been working to recruit our family members, friends and co-workers. Fact is, we are READY FOR CHANGE!!! We're sick & tired of the sham of a party and campaign. Let's kick this trash out the door and right the ship. VOTE, VOTE, VOTE!

Obama/Biden 2008/2012

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Boomshaq:

"Think if you really want to see bug business laying people off left and right...."

You must be Tom DeLay, right???

Already proudly voted for the next President, BHO. My daughter did too...first time voter. We're in PA.

Talk about excitement!

Oh, and Michelle is way hotter and more intelligent than the heiress or Flailin' Palin.

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Boomshaq:

Bug business?

You must be Tom DeLay, right???

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Kathy:

I'm not so worried about Pennsylvania anymore. It's always been close, but democrats come out on top. That is a must win state for Obama.

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imsomdude:

Nottoolate is just going through the 3rd, bargaining stage of the 5 stages of grieving.

Along with the rest of the grand old panic, nottoolate is coping with a possible loss of power just like anyone might deal with the lost of a loved one. First, we saw:

1.) Denial... When all you heard was that there were still 30 some days. Then 20 some days is an eternity in an election season... "A lot could happen". And of course "I don't believe in polls." ...the list goes on.

2.) Anger... Just consider the panic happening at the Palin ralies.

3.) Bargaining... This is where nottoolate is now and is why he/she posted.

But I would say to him/her that whoever you're voting for or against probably isn't as good or as bad as you think. And life will go on for you unchanged... more or less. If at all, for the better. Maybe, those words will help bring you through "Depression" and Acceptance starting on Nov 5th.

BTW, I live and Pa and I'm voting for BHO tomorrow with the strength of 10 voters.

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