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US: Health Care (Gallup 11/5-8)


Gallup
11/5-8/09; 1,008 adults, 4% margin of error
Mode: Live telephone interviews
(Gallup release)

National

Regardless of whether you favor or oppose health care legislation, what are some of the concerns you would have if a new healthcare measure is passed into law? [OPEN-ENDED]

Among All Adults Among those who favor legislation Among those who oppose legislation
Costs 24 22 25
Government-run healthcare/Bureaucracy/Government take-over/Socialized medicine 18 9 28
Making sure everyone is covered/Has access 12 19 4
Effect on quality of care 7 6 8
Government plan/public option 6 6 7
Ability to get needed treatments/Rationing care/Wait times for care 5 6 4
Unclear how plan would work 5 4 6
Effect on senior citizens/Medicare 4 3 5
Increased taxes 3 1 5
Would provide coverage to illegal immigrants 3 2 4
Being able to see current doctors 2 2 3
Forcing people to have insurance/Fines for not having 2 1 3
How it will be paid for 2 1 3
Being able to keep current plan, benefits 2 1 3
Would pay for abortions 2 1 3
Coverage for prescriptions 1 2 1

 

Comments
Xenobion:

Sad that the largest concern is that its Socialist to those that oppose it rather than whether its effective or not in one way or another.

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Stillow:

Ya know, our dopy socialist freinds over in Germany are having this debate too...only they are looking for ways to bring private companies back....because they are now seeing the unsustaibaibility of g'ment run helath care....and they have pretty much run out of rich people to tax to death.

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MancJon:

@Stillow: Germany is socialist? You are very wrong. Germany is governed by a centre-right coalition. Incidentally, in the UK we have actual government-run healthcare, and you know what? It is insanely popular, on both the left and the right. We have excellent healthcare for everyone, and supporting it - not cutting it - is always at the top of both major parties' election manifestos. Oh, and we aren't governed by socialists either, as the privatisation of many government assets over the last couple of decades will attest to.

Engage your brain before spouting ridiculous arguments that simply cannot stand up to logical scrutiny.

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Stillow:

MancJon

Germany only recently obtained a center right g'ment.

As for your system in the UK, is it wildly popular for those dying on wiating lists? You can google case after case of people dying waiting to be seen or treated.....do they like it as well?

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Xenobion:

People die on waiting lists here too. And die in the streets because they can't afford to be on a waiting list. Your point?

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MancJon:

@Stillow:

Actually the CDU / CSU coalition in Germany has been in power since 2005, largely controlling the 'grand coalition' until elections this year, when they cementing their lead position.

As for your anecdotal evidence of people dying on waiting lists: I could easily find plenty more examples - even proportional to population - of people dying because they couldn't afford health insurance in your country. Yes, the NHS isn't perfect, but it is far superior to your system where millions of people have no access to healthcare at all. Waiting list times are going down and deaths on them are very rare, albeit tragedies when they do occur.

Also, you seem to be implying that the reforms on the table in the US are going to result in goverment-run healthcare. This is blatantly untrue. The House and Senate bills will not 'run' healthcare. Most people won't even have the option to join the government-run health insurance (note: insurance is not healthcare).

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Stillow:

MancJon

...and does your system in the UK cover dental? I saw a lot of pretty bad sets of teeth in my visits to the UK.......so when you tell me how great socialized medicine is, please do it without smiling.

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Wong:

@Mancjon

It's very important for people on the far right in America to create a false narrative that universal health care systems deliver an inferior product. They do this despite the fact that the US is rated worse by all objective standards compared to the European systems.

In the US, 45,000 people die every year for lack of health care insurance. I wonder what the figure is for Germany?

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MancJon:

Stillow: Heh, we do have pretty bad teeth, yeah :)
The NHS does cover dentistry, but it only subsidises it, rather than fully covers it.
But I'll take that, with universal healthcare (oh, and out healthcare costs are still lower than your health insurance premiums).

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Xenobion:

In America Dental plans are typically not even part of your Health Care package unless you are in an HMO anyways. Few PPOs cover it and thus you end up getting a specific Dental Package.

Anyways the British drink an inordinate about of tea with sugar, thus their dental problems. I'd expect MancJon to ask if American Health Plans cover liposuction or not in a witty British retort :)

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Stillow:

Why should I pay for fat people to get there fat sucked out? Perhaps fat people shoudl eat less twinkies and more salad.

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MancJon:

@Xenobion:

Damn, that would have been good! For the record, I do drink a lot of tea, but without sugar.

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MancJon:

@Stillow:

I agree. Liposuction isn't covered here either.

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Xenobion:

I'd be interested to see the cost of liposuction vs. future health related problems resulting from obesity. Maybe liposuction could pay for itself? :) Triple bypass I figure is probably a bit more expensive on everyone's premiums.

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MancJon:

@Xenobion:

Good point.

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Stillow:

Thus the flaw in g'ment run programs. It forces people like me to pay for other people's lifestyel choices. Why should I who eats pretty healthy and maintains himself have to pay for someone who eats taco bell every day and sits on his butt all day watching oprah? Its not be job or responsibility to have my money taken from mee for doign the right thigns and given to that guy for doing the bad things.....

If the guy is fat and has higher health care costs, then he should be pay for his own choices, not me....its his job to take care of himself, its my job to take care of me. Stop robbing healthy Peter to pay fat Paul.

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MancJon:

@Stillow:

But if you actually looked at our respective healthcare costs, you'd see that we manage to both have universal healthcare AND lower costs in this country. You really can have your cake... I mean healthy snack and eat it too!

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Stillow:

Yes, but no one can provide me with the moral justification of taking my money which I earn and using it to pay for those who live irresponsibly by there own choices. Why should I who does not smoke have to pay emphasima treatment for life long smoker? He should hav eto pay for his choices, not me.

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Xenobion:

You're already paying for your fat co-worker and his triple bypass. You're already in a system of socailism. As his care costs go up, next year when you enroll your premiums go up.

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JFactor:

Stillow is again talking about something he has absolutely no understanding of. I wonder if he's ever even visited Europe, probably not. He's just spouting talking points and there's no substance behind those.

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Stillow:

X, actually our Aetna premiums are going down for 2010....from $122 a month to $118 a month....and its not my job to pay your bills. I will help those in genuine need, but have a big problem helping those are are inflicted with illness due to there own lifestyle choices....I'd like to eat big macs every day too and fried chicken, but i do not so I stay healthy for myself and my kids.

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Stillow:

JFactor

3 tiems in London. Twice while in the service and once while on vacation.

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Xenobion:

If they went down that means your collective group of people used less care. Its already your responsibility to subsidize your co-workers care through your premium. That's socialism. Otherwise we'd buy care like we buy groceries and buy it individually in a true capitalist system.

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