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US: National Survey (Marist 12/2-7)


Marist
12/2-3, 12/7/09; 1,034 adults, 3% margin of error
858 registered voters, 3.5% margin of error
Mode: Live telephone interviews
(Marist release)

National

Obama Job Approval / Disapproval
46% Approve, 44% Disapprove (chart)
Dems: 77 / 16 (chart)
Reps: 12 / 81 (chart)
Inds: 41 / 44 (chart)
Economy: 45 / 51 (chart)
Afghanistan: 47 / 43

Overall, has Barack Obama met your expectations, exceeded your expectations, or fallen below your expectations as president?
44% Met, 9% Exceeded, 42% Fallen below

Overall, would you describe the direction in which President Barack Obama is moving the country as:
44% Change for the better
35%n Change for the worse
18% Not change at all

State of the Country
46% Right Direction, 46% Wrong Direction (chart)

Favorable / Unfavorable
Obama: 55 / 41 (chart)

Do you think the current economic conditions are mostly omething President Obama inherited or are they mostly a result of his own policies?
65% Inherited, 27% Obama's policies

 

Comments
Stillow:

Yuck. 41 percent approval with Indy's. And another swing in who to blame for the current economy. Every month more and more people shift the balme to his policies.

That low approval among Indy's should make Obama and Dems nervous.

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Farleftandproud:

The approval among independents didn't surprise me, but the GOP will obviously never support this president. Bill Clinton as unpopular as he was among Republicans had higher approval averages than Obama. It is clearly about race. I honestly think that Obama could bomb Iran and the GOP still couldn't be satisfied. They can go to hell as far as I am concerned. Obstruct, Obstruct, Obstruct.

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Stillow:

Geeee, here we go, AGAIN....if you oppose Obama or his policies you are a racist.

Some of you libs still trying to use the race card like this are pathetically desperate. I suppose the Dems who hated Bush hated white people....

Such a load of crap....do you people o nthe fringe left actually beleive this junk or is it just desperation as you watch your savior fall fromgrace with the masses?

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Don Smith:

Agree with Stillow ... using race as an excuse is absurd and, quite honestly, boring. It's like the little boy crying wolf, no one is listening anymore.

Just think about it for a second. Perhaps Bill Clinton's numbers were higher because the ecomony was humming along? Also, I think that the divide between Repub and Democrat is getting larger and larger with each passing year. Next, give Obama a democratic filibuster proof majority (whereas Bill had a Repub congress mostly) and Republicans have gone into a bunker mentality and united together. Are there a few bigots out there, sure, but are they the sole reason for the numbers ... I think not.

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Field Marshal:

Pathetic, isn't it Still? If you oppose his policies you are a racist/terrorist/bitter/angry/.

I sure hope they obstruct, obstruct, obstruct. Its the only way to stop this craziness.

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Field Marshal:

Clinton was more popular because after his short stint of trying to govern from the left, he moved to the center (he had to because of the rep congress). Thus, he instituted policies that were much more tolerable for the right including welfare reform and less spending.

Obama will probably learn the same thing once his party gets decimated next year in the mid-terms. Hence his penchant to rushing through all this spending now.

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ChicagoKid:

Clinton was a moderate and he was from the South, GOP base. He was able to pull of more votes because of location, same as Jimmy Carter, winning Georgia, because of his location.

Blaming race is un-intelligent and just shows way people on the fringe aren't taken seriously without any valid information.

His numbers have gone as people see the garbage HC bill is not going to help anything out. People are also starting to wake up to the deficits and that has led to a decline as well. Just like when Bush was overspending and fighting wars his support tanked.

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Stillow:

IMO its to the point that it actaully hurts the Democratic party as a whole to continue trying to make Obama's job performance about race. That probably turns off Indy's to the left wing cause.

ChicagoKid

Good point, overspending and engagement in war hurt Bush....so its natural that by Obama doing the exact same thing his numbers would also begin to fall, just as Bush's did.

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Field Marshal:

I also hope the Dem party keeps up the "Party of No" stupidity. By the time 2010 elections role around, people will be pining to yell "NO!" to the neophytes in power.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"the garbage HC bill is not going to help anything out."

You mean like the republican plan that leaves the same % uninsured as it currently stands, according to the cbo?

Republicans were never, ever, going to support health care. They said as much before the debate even got going. Best case scenario for it was that they get the Maine sisters.

Many republicans don't even think there IS a problem. They think if you are uninsured it is because you are irresponsible. My father had a serious lung problem which inhibited his ability to work. Even though he WAS insured, he had a private plan that gave him an elimination rider, thus the bills from his condition came close to bankrupting him because they wouldn't cover it.

That is unacceptable. A system that makes you pay more when your earning potential is limited is simply wrong. It's extortion and the republicans don't give one damn. It's the individual's responsibility and let the chips fall where they may. I'd bet a million that those who oppose health care have never had a major illness or a family member with one who was not on medicare or a really good employer plan. It's bad enough to be sick, but worrying if you'll have any money left when you die of your sickness is even worse.

Pretty much all I hear from the republicans is the same b.s. we heard during the campaign. Oh! Tax and Spend! b.s. It's fine when they want to spend on defense to fight in countries where the people don't want us but not fine when the money is going to people who need help. I swear, they make me sick.

The other day at the bookstore I heard a job interview going on. The applicant was a young guy, said he had recently gotten married and a child on the way, but he had no insurance. They interviewer, who owned some sort of small remodeling business, said he didn't offer any health insurance (and didn't even have it himself), and suggested the guy go online because you can get it "for $100 a month I think." It's at least $150 per month to get a plan with maternity coverage at a reasonable deductible. Of course, republicans would be abhorred if they wanted to abort that child, but they don't want to help pay the $30K+ it will cost to give birth to him/her, or the tens of thousands it will cost to raise the child. I overheard the applicant say he had a bachelor's degree from the university I graduated from and now work at. And he was applying for a freaking job painting houses where he would have to provide his own tools. I bet he's in debt from student loans too. He obviously worked hard enough to get the degree and now is trying to do right by his family, yet republicans would say his status as uninsured is his own fault.

Again, the republicans' hypocrisy makes me sick.

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Field Marshal:

LOL! Oh you were serious Aaron. How cute..

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Aaron_in_TX:

FM,

So I'm assuming you agree that if someone is uninsured it is their own fault.

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Field Marshal:

Whose fault is it? The person WITH insurance?

Look, our system is faulty, not doubt about that. The reps made progress in the right direction with the expansion of HSAs- the only thing that will truly reduce costs.

The dems are looking to get rid of HSAs in favor of government run garbage. The people don't like it including many indies and Dems. To blame Reps for the uninsured is ludicrous and childish.

Just because the reps have a different belief in the way to cover the uninsured does not make them hypocrites. We need real reform, not new ways for the government to seize power and move towards a single payer- the worst form of health care.

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Stillow:

Aaron - Why are you blaming republicans? Guess what? Your party controlls the House, the senate and the WH. HCR and its failure to pass is 100 percent a Democrat party problem.

By the wayk, depending on your fathers age at the time of his lung problem, he may very well have denied g'ment treatment in favor of a younger person who has more productivity potential....your dad would have been given a pain pill and told good luck.

Spare us the bleeding heart stuff....don't blame a minority party that has zero power in Washington right now. Blame your own Dem party.

The reason HCR as its constructed now polls so low is because its garbage. People want sensible reforms that people can actually understand...not thousands of pages of crap.

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Aaron_in_TX:

Stillow and FM,

Where did I say that republicans are to blame for the uninsured? What I maintain is that the uninsured are not a high priority for republicans because they blame the individuals themselves for their situation, not external circumstances. Even when circumstances happen, they say that the individual should have been prepared.

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Stillow:

Aaron - the nature of insurance is that you get it prior to the need for said insurance. By your logic, I shold not have to get homeowners sinurance untilthe day after my house burns tothe ground. Then I should be permitted to go to the homeowners insurance company and say hey, gimme a policy for $60 a month so you can rebuild my house that just burned down.

For those who can afford it, which is about 15-20 million of hte uninsured, the ntis there problem if they "choose" not to protect themselves and enjoy there ipods and iphones instead.

For the 15 million illegals, well, they shouldn't be here anyway. they need to go home and come back legally through the same legal process that millions of other immigrants went through.

For the 10-15 million who are uninsured because they simply cannot afford it or thru no fault of there own, a simple voucher program would sole this problem. Allow them to shop and choose a plan that fits there families needs best and we can create a specific tax just for that, like we do Medicare. Then you solve the problem without a bogus g'ment takeover, you allow people to have choice, you lower premium costs because more pelple will constantly be out shopping for coverage and you encourage competition.

In addition it would cost hundreds of billions less than they want to spend now.

For all the claims of intelectual superiority, you libs sure do some stupid things.

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Mark in LA:

Increasingly, many on the far right are proud to be labeled "racist." They wear it as a badge of honor among their conservative friends "Hey guys listen a liberal called me racist!" And they all high-five each other because the liberals insulted them and look down upon them. Then they go back to their all-white neighborhood and talk about how minorities are bringing the country down, and how silly it was for those liberals to call them a "racist."
When I first moved to this area, I was looking for a piece of property to build a house on and I stopped to talk to an elderly white lady about my intentions. She proudly informed me "There ain't any blacks in this area! You know, we ain't racists. We just don't want to live near them."

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Truthseeker:

During the Reagan/Bush 1 years the Republicans cut billions from Medicare. During Bush 2, they voted to give Medicare beneficiaries billions of dollars worth of prescription drugs without specifying a funding source. Now they are voting against ANY Medicare cuts but complaining that health care costs are too high. What are the Republicans' solutions for lowering Medicare rates of increase? They are hypocrites and giving Medicare Advantage (i.e. HMOs) extra money is not saving the Trust Funds a penny.

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Stillow:

Looks like we need to add Mark to the frigne kool aid drinkers group.

Sometimes I wish I were a liberal....then I could have others pay my bills, I coudl call others racist whenever I lost a debate. I could claim to be intelectualy enlightened whe nI actally know nothing. I would never have to shave or comb my hair.

Ya i admit, it would be nice I guess to live off everyone else's work and when someone messes wih me just yell racist to make the mgo away...

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh, sigh. Now I feel all warm and fuzy inside.

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stefanite:

Aaron_in_TX:

"But, but the Republican plan, WAHHHHH!"

The Republicans DON'T NEED AN ALTERNATIVE. All I want the Republicans to do is everything they can to STOP THIS BILL. The best we can hope for is total gridlock until we can get the crooks out of Washington.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"The Republicans DON'T NEED AN ALTERNATIVE."

You prove my point. The republicans don't care about people who suffer from health bills. They only care about sticking it to the democrats. And themselves.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"Sometimes I wish I were a liberal....then I could have others pay my bills,"

Stillow, please. You're descending into hyperbole. The problem isn't that people want something for nothing. The problem is that people can't possibly pay the bills when they get sick and there's a problem with their insurance.

"if they "choose" not to protect themselves and enjoy there ipods and iphones instead."

Don't be obtuse. An ipod is a one-time $150 purchase. Health insurance costs a couple thousand per year and only increases over time. I don't have an iphone, and the only people I know that have them have money. A cellular phone, though, is more or less required to function in today's society and costs about the same as a land-line phone.

"a simple voucher program would sole this problem."

Premiums would simply be raised to be higher than the vouchers, like the coupons for the DTV converters. So it would solve nothing.

"I shold not have to get homeowners sinurance untilthe day after my house burns tothe ground."

Home insurance is not the same thing and you know it. For one, losing your home doesn't impede your ability to work. Being sick does. Plus, home insurance and car insurance go DOWN with customer loyalty, not up.

"For all the claims of intelectual superiority, you libs sure do some stupid things"

God forbid we try to help people, instead of tell them that their problems are of their own making and they don't deserve help.

Seriously, 700,000 medical bankruptcies per year and you think that's okay.

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ChicagoKid:

Aaron, getting back your first story. Maybe just maybe, that person should not have been having a child if they COULDN'T AFFORD IT! Don't have children if you cannot afford them. There is a problem in HC, we all see it, most Republicans do. Finally I am happy with what they are doing, they are trying to avoid trading one failed system for another, why do it?

You can say your trying to help people but its not. Always thinking that you (gov) can decide better then us. Just like in education, the economy, and health care. I want to decide where I go to school, where I spend my money, and how I pay for my health care.

Mark,
Come on, Old people.... They say stuff because it was acceptable back in their day, what does that have to do with a Repub or a Dem?

The alternative is creating something called a free market. Where the government doesn't dictate prices through their government run medicare and medicaid. Dems have it horribly wrong on their HC bill. Repubs have it wrong on more money for medicare and medicaid but have it right on capping lawsuits, allowing over border insurance selling, and trying to stop this monopoly.

700,000 medical bankruptcies is awful, and it is a disgrace that it occurs in this country. But, the Dem plan is the same thing. The young people, me and some others here I think, will get suck paying for all of this in the future just like all this other entitlement stuff, my parents and grandparents generations have put on us. It sucks.

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ChicagoKid:

Most of that was at Aaron, except the one bit for Mark, kind of disorganized, just got back from work and its finals time. Sorry

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Stillow:

Aaron - come on, some of my post was just for comedy....but a voucher system would work. If you provide vouchers to 15 million people who need them, that is 15 million more customers private carriers would compete for. Compeittion drives down costs.

One of the leading reasons costs go up is because g'ment programs like medicare pay less and less of what they actually owe. That is g'ment forcing the private carriers to pick up there slack. That forces prices up for everyone. Do something about frivilous lawsuits as well, which the Dems say nothing about, that will help reduce costs.

What makes you think that in a g'ment run system premiums will not go up? Did g'ment discover a new gold mine I don't know about? All you have to do is look at any other g'ment run enterprise and see there record on cost containment...its miserable. G'ment plans would not pay the full amount owed causing private plans to skyrocket in price to again make up the slakc for g'ment involvement.

Eventually doctors and hospitals would go out of business.

I would be in favor of a specific tax on your paycheck to pay for voucher programs, if premiums go up then we can adjust the tax if needed. We can do this without sacrifising choice and putting such a critical thing like HC into the hands of g'ment which time and time again fails at everything it does.

You know full well there are plenty of young people in there 20's and 30's who could afford a plan but choose not to get it. They have all the fancy gizmo's and the fancy clothes...drive the nice cars...have the plasma tv's. I have little sympathy for them if they make a choice not to protect themselves. I'm guilty of it, in party of my 20's I was making good money for a single guy and didn't want to buy a plan....I was busy spending money on chasing women.


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saywhat90:

Should we also blame the government for sudden cancellation of health insurance when you get sick? Or maybe we should blame them for the pre existing condition clause insurance companies use to deny insurance.Yeah, that's the ticket. It all because of medicare that health insurance companies do the things they do. It because of medicare that the health insurance companies will have you pay insurance premiums for years then when you do get seriously ill they will deny your claim. Hmm So if we get rid of medicare then all will be right in the world of health insurance. Insurance companies will never raise premiums if that happens. No not at all. They are honest free market profiteers who wouldn't dare do anything to hurt americans. Only the evil government run medicare would do that. yeah trust the corporations they will always do right by the american citizen.

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Thaddeus:

I tell you those repubs are greedy, un-caring, selfish, moralistic, exploiters of the poor; who don't give a damn about anyone but themselves and their own money. Ah, now I feel all warm and fuzzy. And like Stillow saws most of this post is for comedy. It sure helps the debate along doesn't Stillow.

The free market proposals for HC are wack. Free market is based on supply and demand, where if there is too much supply, then prices go down. Where is there ever going to be too much supply of healthcare? Everyone needs it, so with out some sort of regulation or government action it would be out of control. You want to see prices go up for young people and have businesses dropping HC, get rid of medicare and let hospitals pass the costs of the elderly on to the "currently insured." The approval numbers will go up once something, really anything is passed, as people will be happy something happened. Not many people report even being able to say what the public option is, they know they don't know anything.

I'll save you the pen space Stillow, I'm more of a coffee drinker, then a kool-aid person.

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