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US: Obama 52, McCain 45 (ABCPost-10/22-25)

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ABC News / Washington Post
10/22-25/08; 1,308 likely voters, margin of error 2.5%
Mode: Live Telephone Interviews
(ABC, Post)

National
Obama 52, McCain 45
(10/21-24: Obama 53, McCain 44)

 

Comments
boomshak:

Yet another poll closes towards McCain by 2. Even the friggin ABC/WAPO!

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falcon79:

ooo a tightening of the race for sure.. must be the fables "surge"
LMAO

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Indiana4Obama:

This a 7 pt lead 8 days before the election. Boom, I'm not sure why you're so excited.

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laguna_b:

@boomshak

You never commented on this excellent analysis so now you have another chance:

Take a DEEEP BREATH...sit down and read this excellent analysis I copied from the other thread....
carl29:

thoughtful here is my "comparison analysis" from the last three Sundays, so you can see the trend:

Sunday, October 26, 2008

AVERAGE: Obama 50.7% McCain 44%
Obama +1.3, McCain -1 from the previous Sunday.

Rasmussen, Obama 52 McCain 44
Zogby, Obama 49 McCain 44
Gallup*, Obama 50 McCain 45
Gallup**, Obama 52 McCain 43


Sunday, October 19, 2008

AVERAGE: Obama 49.4% McCain 45%
Obama -0.8%, McCain +0.3% from the previous.

Rasmussen, Obama 51 McCain 45
Zogby, Obama 47.8 McCain 45.1
Gallup*, Obama 49 McCain 46
Gallup**, Obama 51 McCain 44

Sunday October 12, 2008

AVERAGE: Obama 50.2 McCain 44.7

Rasmussen, Obama 51 McCain 45
Zogby, Obama 48.9 McCain 42.8
Gallup*, Obama 50 McCain 46
Gallup**, Obama 51 McCain 45

Posted on October 26, 2008 4:20 PM

.......seems clear to me

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political_junki:
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laguna_b:

@Indiana4obama

"This a 7 pt lead 8 days before the election. Boom, I'm not sure why you're so excited."

Hey, at 2 points a day!!! McCain will surge to 9 point lead! Landslide!

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Indiana4Obama:

Too many undecideds in the OH poll to make me feel comfy.

Obama needs few undecideds in OH and FL since the majority of last minute undecideds will probably swing Mccain's way...probably.

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NextAmericanChapter:

NEWS FROM NEW HAMPSHIRE

Just taking a quick break from canvassing in New Hampshire...it's looking really good for Obama in the Granite State!!! We've met several former McCain supporters who are now firmly behind Obama. Sure they still like McCain (I do too) but his response to the financial crisis was really poor. There are also a surprisingly low number of undecideds. This is all goods news for the Dems including Shaheen for Senate.

And boy, Sarah Palin is the gift that keeps on giving. Her generous gifts this Sunday:
1) "I'm not a diva"-gate...the in-fighting stories are dominating discussion
2) She's still talking about her clothes ("look everyone, I'm wearing a cheap jacket today")...I mean, who the hell cares?
3) The largest newspaper in Alaska just endorsed Obama...ouch, that's got to hurt. I guess the "media-elite" are setting-up shop in the pro-American parts of the US.

Anyway, its back to the saltmines for me. If you can vote early, please do. Also, please get your family and friends to vote Obama/Biden. I know that we have fun needling folks like Boomshak, but this election is really serious. We can't give the keys to the GOP again after they've f#cked up this country over the last eight years.

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laguna_b:

@Indiana4Obama

I am not so sure that Mccain has ANYTING going for him to pick up more votes of undecideds...
This is a HUGE week for Obama adn Mccain's campaign is melting down and THAT is dominating the headlines for him.
His latest hit on Obama is that he is taking a victory lap....now THAT is a game changer!

But like you I will be uneasy until I see 340EVs counted on Nov. 5th!

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thoughtful:

Good to see boomshak back:

Any way, its pretty clear that the polls haven't moved anywhere other than in consolidation for the past month after trending to Obama since June save for the Convention bounces.

We'll get fluxes on the individual polls, but every time you come back to the averages the polls are more or less the same.

I have it as 390+EVS. But look at Nate Silver's probability model. I think he is at about 350 at 538.

boom, have you voted yet?

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boomshak:

McCain is finally on message with the idea an Obama win gives total power to liberals.

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kerrchdavis:

Race has stabilized at O+7.

This will result in a landslide win

game over.

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boomshak:

@thoughtful:

I just bought a new house and am waiting on my new registration in the mail. If it doesn't show up tomorrow, I'm gonna call and raise some hell.

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boomshak:

@kerrchdavis:

Zogby, IBD and Gallup all polled O+3 single day yesterday.

Obama will lose and I will laugh at you.

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Flashlight:

Boomshak,

You have the optimism and perseverance of Wile E. Coyote.

It's inspiring. No joke.

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kerrchdavis:

@boomshak

Obama +7 on average. Early voting already started. 100,000 in Denver today to see Obama. Co and Va are already blue. NC, FL, OH, IN to follow.

Landslide baby Landslide.

Boom, you have, after 3 weeks, still not painted a single McCain path to victory. Nothing, nada. You are pathetic.

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teammjs:

this is my 1st post, and this message is a long time coming: JUST IGNORE BOOM****.

second, look at the internals of this poll-- ABC only has Dems +7, several points down from previous days, so losing a couple points isn't that big of a deal. they're arguably closer to the electorate after a house effect of several points toward Dems. This, a 7-point lead looks good today with their intrernals.

finally, the Obama intensity numbers are growing. not losing sleep on this one

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kerrchdavis:

@boomshak

how does your mouth taste after coughing up all that diarrhea?

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Flashlight:

boomshak:
"I just bought a new house and am waiting on my new registration in the mail. "

From Acme?

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political_junki:

@boom:
"Zogby, IBD and Gallup all polled O+3 single day yesterday."

You are just lying through your teeth.
Obama improved himself in Gallup today.
I understand your desperation but atleast find a lie that cant be revealed in 5 minutes:

Gallup Daily: Obama Continues to Lead McCain
Size of advantage five to nine points, depending on turnout

* USA
* Election 2008
* Gallup Daily
* Americas
* Northern America

PRINCETON, NJ -- Gallup's likely voter estimates continue to show Barack Obama with a significant lead over John McCain. The traditional model estimates Obama with a 50% to 45% advantage in Oct. 23-25 polling, and the expanded model has Obama leading by 52% to 43%.

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Both models have shown fairly stable results since Gallup began tracking likely voter preferences in early October. In the traditional model -- which identifies likely voters based on current voting intentions and self-reported past voting behavior -- Obama's support has ranged narrowly between 49% and 51%, while McCain's support remains in the 44% to 47% range. Today's 50% to 45% Obama advantage matches the average for this model to date.

The expanded model -- which identifies likely voters based on current voting intentions only -- has generally shown Obama doing slightly better, with his support averaging 52% and ranging from 50% to 53%. McCain has averaged 44% in this model, and his support has been between 42% and 46% since early October.

Obama currently holds a 51% to 42% lead over McCain among all registered voters, which equals the average for October to date. That nine percentage point average lead is easily Obama's best of the campaign; his average lead was two points in September, three points in August, four points in July, and three points in June. In April and May, when Obama was still campaigning against Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination, McCain and Obama were essentially tied in Gallup Poll Daily tracking presidential election trial heats. (To view the complete trend since March 7, 2008, click here.) -- Jeff Jones

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Pro-America_Anti-America:

The interesting thing is even with the tightening today McCain's win percentage actually fell on fivethirtyeight. I guess state polling does matter.

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political_junki:

BOOM
"Obama will lose and I will laugh at you. "

Liberals will have senate, congress and govt not only that, we will have the supreme court. Lets wait 10 days and see who is laughing and who has become crazy with anger posting bull**** on the forums of right wing blogs :-)

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kerrchdavis:

@boomshak

wipe your mouth before you start posting again. It's hard to understand you with crap still dripping out.

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laguna_b:

Man, I hope Scalia decides it is time to hang it up next year....maybe Thomas will get caught out in a mensroom and we can have a 3-6 majority! No stopping freedom after that one!

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political_junki:

By Robert Barnes
DENVER -- Republicans thought it ostentatious when the Democratic National Convention decided to move Barack Obama's acceptance speech from the convention hall to Invesco Field, where the Denver Broncos play football.

But the stadium might not have been able to hold the midday crowd that greeted Obama today on his return to the city.

Estimates from the police department released by the Obama campaign first put the crowd in Civic Center Park in the heart of Denver at 75,000. They then revised the figure to 100,000.

Whatever it was, it was huge. "Goodness gracious," Obama marveled. "Let me just ask something: Do you ever get small crowds here in Denver?"

It remains an open question what such huge crowds mean for Obama's electoral prospects in the more competitive battlegrounds states. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton won the Pennsylvania primary despite holding much smaller rallies than Obama in the run up to that election.

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kerrchdavis:

@boomshak

What's the matter boom? you out of toilet paper? c'mon, wipe your mouth off.

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JerryTheAngel:

Sen. Barack Obama has jumped to a 15-point lead over Sen. John McCain in New Hampshire, according to a new Boston Globe poll, "a significant gap in a state that McCain considers his second political home and has long been a swing state in the race for the White House."

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BOOMFAIL:

7-10 point lead = LANDSLIDE anyway you try to spin it. State polls are all that really matter.

btw- have you seen the 2 AZ polls showing Obama within 2 or 4 points!!! Holy Mother of McSame!


9 more days, my friends! Vote early if you can, as the lines will be GINORMOUS on election day, mark my words. This is history in the making. I'm glad to be a part of it!

Landslide Baby Landslide!

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jonny87:

@political_junki

thanks for the link. good to see obama in the lead, but a few too many undecideds.

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political_junki:

@jonny:
yes the undecideds are high.
I cant wait to see the update number for GA tomorrow. It could be the elections surprise if AA turnout remains as high as it is . The AA men have to get off their collective asses and go vote.

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kerrchdavis:

@boomshak

I just flushed the toilet. It looked a lot like one of your arguments swirling and sinking.

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MaxMBJ:

Uh, the Denver Post has downgraded crowd estimates in Denver today to 35,000. But now that the typical Obama lie has been reported I guess it will stand ... kind of like the "Kill him" lie.

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Pro-America_Anti-America:

Denver Post article title "Police: More than 100,000 watch Obama"

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_10821877

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laguna_b:

@MAXMBJ

Caught in a lie? How about one of consequence....like Palin oppossing the "bridge to nowhere" ...an actual issue insead of a sideshow.....you are going to have to do better.

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laguna_b:

Classic McCain vs. McCain http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajm5JTf7jZs

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laguna_b:

On MTP getting his lies handed to him...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35WThM70yIc

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Steve_OH:

@MaxMBJ:

"Uh, the Denver Post has downgraded crowd estimates in Denver today to 35,000."

Which Denver Post would that be? The one in Denver currently has "100,000 rally for Obama" as the headline on their home page.

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boomshak:

QUESTION:

If America is heading LEFT and everyone hates Bush, why is "W" a COMPLETE F*CKING BOMB at the box office?

See, America isn't heading left. They have just been fooled by the suddenly "moderate" Obama.

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kerrchdavis:

@MaxMBJ

I can see why you like McCain. Both of you support a "lets make **** up" approach to politics.

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kerrchdavis:

@boomshak

"If America is heading LEFT and everyone hates Bush, why is "W" a COMPLETE F*CKING BOMB at the box office?"

roflmao! pathetic.

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laguna_b:

@boomshak

W has grossed $19M so far...is that what you call a bomb? It was #4 last week and #7 last week. Movies on politics are not usually that successfull. Movies about High School sex are. Besides, people like me watch them on our own home theater so I will rent it when it comes out. It will be easier to handle when President Obama is cleaning up W's mess.

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laguna_b:

correction #7 THIS week

HonestlyBoom , objective analysis is NOT your strong suit.

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kerrchdavis:

@boomshak

boom, I'll be happy to fedex some mouthwash over to you if you're still having trouble.

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Dewey1858:

I think the new favorite word for conservatives is "tightening." Not sure just what is really "tightening" though: Neocon sphincters? The noose around the neck of Reagonomics? Any three cherry-picked polls du jour? The race in Arizona, North Dakota, Montana, Georgia? Kind of starting to like this "tightening" thing.

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orange24:

If America is heading LEFT and everyone hates Bush, why is "W" a COMPLETE F*CKING BOMB at the box office?

I'm just guessing here, but probably because it's a lousy movie. Stone only makes two kinds of movies - Oscar Winners and Bombs. There doesn't seem to be any middle ground with him. Based on reviews, this one looks bad. It's bombing at the box office because nobody is going to shell out what little disposible income they have on a movie that all the critics say sucks.

Besides, if that were the litmus test, why was Farenheit 9/11 the highest grossing documentary of all time. Had absolutely no bearing on the election though.

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boomshak:

@laguna_b:
@boomshak

W has grossed $19M so far...is that what you call a bomb?

Yes, I would call that a MEGA-BOMB! Those are horrible numbers for a movie in major release. What planet do you live on?

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boomshak:

@laguna_b:

$19 million probably doesn't even cover their promotional costs. You are a joke to people who are a joke.

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johncoz:

Boom,

as a special treat I have processed today's figures for the 3-day trackers (including Zogby) -- and yes, the race "tightened" today.

Here's the graph (9-day weighted averages). Enjoy savouring McCain's new winning position, hehe!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3213/2976590870_0758cf90e0_b.jpg

O 51.1/ M 43.1/ +8.0

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OneAngryDwarf:

@boomloser

So what does that mean about American Carol that only made $7M.

Let me follow the logic here for a second. So if W and its $19M gross means that America has rejected liberalism but American Carol only grossed $7M hmm...

So by your logic America is almost 3X as liberal.

This kind of argument is what you are hanging your hat on these days.

Wow!!! Good job.

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boomshak:

DEMOCRATS SECRETLY FEARING A SWEEP:

If Democrats win the White House and Congress, they have a BIG problem on their hands. They will have to actually accomplish something instead of just bitching about everyone else.

Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. Whatever happens, it will be 100% THEIR fault since they have complete power.

Almost worth letting them win just to watch them destroy themselves.

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OneAngryDwarf:

@boomdope

DEMOCRATS SECRETLY FEARING A SWEEP:

Epic flail there champ, epic...

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ticketstub:

W. cost about 25 mil to make, nto counting promotion. So, yes, 19 is not a blockbuster. But it is also not a "mega-bomb."

But to answer your question, I think it didn't do very well because, well, yeah, it's not good. I saw it out of a morbid curiosity (the only good thing in the trailer was the use of Once In A Lifetime) and it's meandering and without a point. Some of the performances are good, but that's about it. So, I think that had a good deal to do with why it did so poorly.

And, just for some perspective...An American Carol made 6.9 million in wide release since Oct 3. By Boom's logic, Americans must not be conservative, because that movie completely tanked.

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kerrchdavis:

@OneAngry

lol! good point!

@boomshak

you are a joke to everything that breaths and most pieces of furniture. You don't have any right to call anyone a joke when you keep shooting turds out of your mouth.

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kerrchdavis:

@boomshak

do you actually type out your arguments or do you just rub your morning ****s on your keyboard?

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ticketstub:

@kerrchdavis

Don't take it the wrong way, and I'm definitely not defending Boomshak, but the repeated posts about somehow crapping onto the board here are getting pretty tedious.

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johncoz:

Well boom, no one said the next four years were going to be easy, there's a helluva a lot of crap to clean up.

But it would appear the American public has decisively decided to give the the job to Obama and the Democratic Party, whether or not you guys "let them win" (Freudian slip?).

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OneAngryDwarf:

@kerrchdavis

Poor boomtiny is just lonely. I mean spending all day by yourself in your trailor in NC would make anybody a little "off." Cut him some slack it appears that the only interactions he gets are on the Internet and there he has to act like a 12 year old whos parents don't love him.

We should pity his folly, while we rage against his ignorance.

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kerrchdavis:

@ticketstub

fair enough, it'll be the last one you see today :)

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Dana Adini:

Early results from Bernalillo county in NM which in 2004 accounted for 33% of the states vote

early votes to through 10/25

141,921 36.11% of eligible voters

breakdown

dems 75,795 53.41% 40.42% of reg dems
GOP 46,584 32.82% 35.53% of reg Gop
other19,542 13.77% 25.05% of reg other

Kerry carried the county 51%-48% but registered dems are now +14

SUSA crosstabs
M 84 16 46 O 13 81 49
Ras Crosstabs
M 83 13 33 O 16 85 57

do the math

True Blue

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orange24:

Whatever happens, it will be 100% THEIR fault since they have complete power.

You mean like Clinton leaving office with millions upon millions of dollars of budget surplus? If you want to blame his administration for that, I don't think he'll mind.

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boomshak:

@OneAngryDwarf:

Obama will lose...badly.

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OneAngryDwarf:

@boomstump

Where are you champ? I expected that you would at least come out and defend your "movie logic."

What nothing? You just phoning it in now? I thought that was McCain's gig?

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Pro-America_Anti-America:

It is too bad 99% of the losing side wont be here on election night. If people are gonna talk big they gotta back it up.

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OneAngryDwarf:

@boomdinosaur

So that is what you are down to now? Don't believe your eyes, don't believe the mountain of data, he's just going to lose because you say he's going to lose.

Glad to see you've found religion. Faith is a powerful thing boomstunt, it can make you do funny things. Like strap a bomb to your ass and go sit in a coffee shop believing that after you've blown yourself to bits that you'll meet 70 virgins in heaven. Is that what you are going with now?

John McCain and the immaculate voter connection?

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johncoz:

dwarf, I think that's 72 (not 70) virgins (or in some tranlations "white raisins").

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southern angler:

Marquis vs Reed

This is getting better everyday.

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/breakingnews/article_212180773.shtml

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OneAngryDwarf:

@johncoz

Thanks for picking me up there man.

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southern angler:

Dwarf and johncoz......uh sorry to interupt your gay monent.

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political_junki:

Link:
http://michiganmessenger.com/7007/shocking-endorsement-of-obama-by-conservative-legal-titan-fried
Shocking endorsement of Obama by conservative legal titan Fried
By ED BRAYTON 10/26/08 7:26 PM
In perhaps the most significant Republican defection yet, former Reagan Justice Department official Charles Fried, who had previously endorsed McCain and served on committees for the McCain campaign, has announced that he voted absentee ballot for Obama.

Fried also asked that his name be removed from McCain campaign literature. One of the primary reasons: Sarah Palin. From an article in the New Republic:

This week, Fried announced that he has voted for Obama-Biden by absentee ballot. In his letter to Trevor Potter, the General Counsel to the McCain-Palin campaign, he asked that his name be removed from the several campaign-related committees on which he serves. In that letter, he said that chief among the reasons for his decision “is the choice of Sarah Palin at a time of deep national crisis.”

It’s hard to overstate how surprising this is. Fried is not exactly a household name, but you’d be hard-pressed to find a more prominent or universally respected name in conservative legal circles.

Fried was the solicitor general (the No. 3 man in the Justice Department and the one who argues the government’s position in every Supreme Court case where it is required) in the Reagan administration and is now a professor at Harvard Law School.

This is really quite a big deal.

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Bigmike:

I'll be here election night. To watch you libs cry. Ought to be a blast.

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southern angler:

Big shift this week for McCain

GW,gallup,ibd,zogby

Almost a tie and over a week to go. Wonder what presents McCain will get next week, maybe POTUS?

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johncoz:

@bigmike,

It will be a blast, and many Obama supporters I have no doubt be crying ... tears of joy. Correct on both counts.

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Bigmike:

johncoz

I'll make you a deal. I will be here election night. If your guy wins, you get nothing but congrats from me. If you will do the same.

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johncoz:

@southern angler

Yea big shift over the week. I've graphed it here:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3213/2976590870_0758cf90e0_b.jpg

Crosscheck with Pollster and RCP, we all agree. A shift alright -- to Obama.

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Dewey1858:

"Bigmike:
I'll be here election night. To watch you libs cry. Ought to be a blast."

Glad to know you'll be able to appreciate my tears of joy. (Little tip - easliest way to get that pesky Bush/Cheney bumper sticker off is to buy a new car. Oops - can't afford one in the current "fundamentals of our economy are strong" economy? - just slap that Palin '12 sticker right over it.)

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southern angler:

I have no need for your links or graphs(GAY).
I have RCP

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johncoz:

Bigmike,

Sure. I've been on the losing side of enough elections to be fairly philosophical. But I therefore also know victory when I smell it, and the odour is very strong at the moment :-)

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southern angler:

Mike you should check out obamacrimes.com

Phil Berg has now going to the Supreme Court.
Plus this lawsuit has now been filed in other states. Berg was also on the Savage show which had over million listeners a couple of days ago. This is getting really big quick on the internet. Expect MSM to pick it up soon.

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/breakingnews/article_212180773.shtml

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Bigmike:

Dewey1858

I don't put bumper stickers on my car. And yes, I can afford a new one. Any kind I want.

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johncoz:

@southern angler

As well as being a crackpot, it turns out you are a thoroughly odious human being as well. Oh well, takes all kinds, I suppose.

As for RCP, here's there graph:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

If you can construe that as a big shift to McCain "over the week", then you are also a complete dope.

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mrzookie:

@boom

"If America is heading LEFT and everyone hates Bush, why is "W" a COMPLETE F*CKING BOMB at the box office?"

ROFL! You're kidding, right? Why would ANYONE want to PAY to see it when we've been watching the live, in the flesh, B-rate horror show for the last 8 years non-stop, for FREE (yeah, forget the trillions of $s lost - that was for popcorn).

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Dewey1858:

"Dewey1858

I don't put bumper stickers on my car. And yes, I can afford a new one. Any kind I want."

Makes me even more glad to know you'll be on the losing end of this one - can't wait until you're spreading a little wealth my way.


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southern angler:

Poor Dewey, he is a loser and can't do anything about it. Plus he is stupid, he really thinks Obama is going to give him something.

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Bigmike:

Dewey1858

can't wait until you're spreading a little wealth my way

My pleasure. I'd still rather be on the top end.

I'm dropping in and out looking at stock prices. There is money to be made in ANY market. The trick is who is gonna benefit under Obama. None of my cash is going in health care stocks, lol!

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Dewey1858:

"southern angler:
Poor Dewey, he is a loser and can't do anything about it. Plus he is stupid, he really thinks Obama is going to give him something."

Wow. That hurts.

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Dewey1858:

"Bigmike:
Dewey1858

can't wait until you're spreading a little wealth my way

My pleasure. I'd still rather be on the top end."

Thanks for letting me know you're a top, but dude, do you think this is the right site for that?


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johncoz:

bigmike,

As a Repub, do you have any idea why McCain was campaigning in Iowa over the weekend. With so little time left, it just doesn't make any sense to me.

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Bigmike:

johncoz:
bigmike,

As a Repub, do you have any idea why McCain was campaigning in Iowa over the weekend. With so little time left, it just doesn't make any sense to me.

I have no idea why McCain does most of the things he does. I can give you some guesses, but that is all they are.

Helping candidates in house/senate/governor races. Maybe he thinks that is all he can salvage at this point. Or someone is calling in a favor.

I don't know where he went in IA today. Sorry, the NFL had my attention. But there are possibilites of over-lapping media markets. May get him some air time in MO or SD. Who knows.

Could be his internal polls tell him IA is in play. But that is a stretch.


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Bigmike:

johncoz

For overlapping media markets, I left out NE. They split their EV's, so it could be he is afraid of losing in Omaha or Lincoln and it costing him an EV.

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johncoz:

Air time in MO makes some sort of sense, I suppose.

Anyway, given the polls out of AZ, he way want to head back home for a bit :-)

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johncoz:

I actually don'y know much about US media markets, but that's all sounding plausible.

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Bigmike:

johncoz

Media markets are really pretty simple. Wherever a candidate is going, he will get some free air time (news) before he shows up, while he is there, and after he leaves. And not just in the one specific place where he visits. TV stations will carry it to some degree or another. The question is how far away do people watch those stations. Since not every little town has their own station, it is usually good for quite a distance. 100 miles in each direction may be a conservative estimate. I think it depends greatly on the dynamics of each market.

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laguna_b:

I can't wait until the Fairness Doctrine returns and the sane side get equal time.

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Mister H.:

Marquis vs Reed

This is getting better everyday.

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/breakingnews/article_212180773.shtml

Hey Southern Angler:

Could you please explain to me why you refuse to believe that this is a non-issue, when even the BUSH ADMINISTRATION, CIA, SECRET SERVICE, and countless independent groups have debunked it??

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Bigmike:

laguna_b

The fairness doctrine won't give you any more air time. To make it equal, you have to take time away from the right wing radio guys. But nobody listened to Al Franken and Co.

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johncoz:

@Mister H
"Hey Southern Angler:
Could you please explain to me why you refuse to believe that this is a non-issue ..."

Simple he's a crackpot with a tinfoil hat. Other charming aspects of his personality include racism and homophobia.

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laguna_b:

The nation is facing a huge crisis and these bean brains are off in the weeds....

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johncoz:

Bigmike,

Agree with you on the "fairness doctrine". Dumb idea; let the market decide.

The reason 20mil people listen to the bloated clown Limbaugh is because he tells them what they want to hear. So be it. You can't legislate to stop people being stupid.

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laguna_b:

They make me feel like Indiana Jones fighting through a cave and running into vermin, snakes and spiders....they just get in the way and are a distraction...

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axe2grind:

Bigmike,

McCain was in Waterloo / Cedar Falls, IA today. He had a rally at the University of Northern Iowa. The media market covers Iowa City (Univ. of Iowa), Cedar Rapids (2nd largest city in IA), Dubuque, SW Wisconsin, and a small portion of far western IL. I live in Des Moines, and it was mentioned briefly on the late news, but the local CBS affiliate I watch didn't send a crew to cover it. His rally was at a small gymasium on the campus, seats less than 2k. The area is about 50/50 split down party lines. They have a Democrat in the US House who appears to be safe this cycle. The two polls out today in Iowa don't paint a strong picture for McCain. I live in the conservative part of DSM with a higher concentration of Republicans, however I was out today, and saw Obama signs in many affluent neighborhoods I've never seen before. McCain cannot win Iowa without carrying the 10 largest counties in the state, and three of them are very liberal. During the caucus, the Dems had over 100k more people participate than the Republicans. There was an article in the DSM Register yesterday (Sat) where several Republican strategists questioned why he and Palin were wasting time here. Many have said he should have pulled out and taken the resources elsewhere. Obama has 50 offices in IA and McCain has 16.

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Basil:

What does it mean when McCain's biggest argument is against divided government?

"Admittedly, you think we suck, and we're not here to argue about that, but at least we can try to keep the guys you really like on their toes so they don't get carried away with themselves. So vote for us, but not necessarily for president, because we know you like Barack Obama and there's nothing we can do about it. Maybe a republican senator or two would help. Please?"

Hell of a campaign message...

Obama Tsunami!

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Bigmike:

johncoz

All you would really achieve with the fairness doctrine is to cost radio stations a lot of ad revenue.

Limbaugh has to go home at night, kick his feet up, and say to himself "and they actually pay me for this." They all have egos too big for me.

But I guess that makes them no different than anyone else in the entertainment business. Like all the Lib hollywood types. If we can shut them up too, I might go for the fairness doctrine. Like I really give a crap how that blowhard Alec Baldwin thinks I should vote.

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Ryguy:

oh the depressing final gasps of the terrified right wing with a week to go before they lose their... what did they call it... "permanent majority"? boomshak no longer trying to spin facts just stating that obama will lose because he says so! just like he said that this race would be tied...oh i dont remember... weeks ago i think. and then resorting to even worse. saying that he actually wants obama to win so that the dems can get into power and have nobody else to blame. thats my absolute favorite side of boom. its him at his most childish self. its the angry teen with in. sure boom, you cant wait for us to win. thats why youve been saying for weeks that this race is a virtual tie, and that america will never vote in someone as "liberal" as obama. you truly do not know how to cope with reality. i mean this in all honesty, you need therapy, and fast.

but i digress. there is little new to report here. the rcp average, as southern angler apparently wants to bring up but doesnt want to cite, is 7.6 in the horse race. the state polling has not shifted at all. PA is still blue, as are most of the swing states. republicans running for office are jumping ship in an epic fashion. even palin is acting like a rogue and showing disapproval of this mccain campaign. spin it however youd like boom, angler, kip tin... who ever... you know your goose is cooked.

so, i humbly ask you, would you please be here on election night or the next day? please? its not going to make me any happier, im sure im going to be ecstatic either way... but i just think you will need to own up to your behavior on this board. and im not being a heartless bastard, if obama loses ill be here and you can shove it in my face... good luck with that.

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laguna_b:

@Bigmike

"Like I really give a crap how that blowhard Alec Baldwin thinks I should vote."

At least he does it because he cares about this country and its people. Limbaugh makes money making lies, innuendos and creating divions and hatred. We have people like him to thank for Iraq.

Baldin does it pro bono....they use the public airwaves, let em give equal time and maybe we might actually have a real public discourse instead of a feces strewn shouting match.....

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Bigmike:

Ryguy

I will be hear election night. I'm a big boy, I can take it. Fire at will.

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Ryguy:

hey bigmike, thats all i ask. i love the internet for many reasons, but one thing that irks me about it, is the ability to hide in the shadows. ive always been a person who will own up to what he says. and ive said some stupid things in my time, believe me. this conversation that we're having is, for the most part, a healthy one... just as long as we can continue to have it when we know we've either won or lost. in my opinion, either be for what you believe in front of disagreement, whether the chips are down or not, or just dont make the argument at all.

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Bigmike:

laguna_b

Blame Limbaugh for Iraq. Damn, you give him way too much credit. I didn't realize he had a vote in the house, or even in the senate.

If you don't like Limbaugh, turn the freaking channel. Thats what I do when I see Baldwiwn.

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Bigmike:

Ryguy

I agree. People abuse this anonymous media.

Nope, I will be here. Ready to say congrats to the other side. And if Obama wins, I wish him good luck. I'm not stupid enough to want to live thru the Carter years again. I really do hope things turn out better for Obama.

But when they don't, I am gonna have as much sympathy for Obama as you guys do for Bush, LOL.

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laguna_b:

@BigMike

"But when they don't, I am gonna have as much sympathy for Obama as you guys do for Bush, LOL."

I really beleive that Obama has the potential to be on the same order of the man of the hour as a Churchill, FRD, Lincoln or Washington. We absolutely need that today. If he falls far short of this I too will be critical. I once thought that of Reagan and quickly turned when I saw through all the smoke to huge deficits for useless armaments.

What gets me are people who defend the likes of Palin and Bush when there is virtually nothing they have done but be useless and destructive. Fortunately there are conservative columnist who hold the country higher than winning.

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laguna_b:

ooops sloppy typing FDR

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Bigmike:

laguna_b

Well, we agree on one thing. Bush ain't my favorite cowboy either.

From the history I have seen first hand, I think it is a hell of a stretch to equate Obama with Churchill and the others. My fear is he will have a lot more in common with Carter and LBJ. A lot more Chamberlain thn Churchill.

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Bigmike:

laguna_b

Don't sweat the typing. Hell, you've seen me at my worst too.

Gotta run. Work in about 8 hours.

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laguna_b:

I saw LBJ & Carter....I still have a lot of respect for both, mainly Carter. LBJ really screwed up VN. One can argue the Great Society was an unsuccessful efort, but it was an effort to really change America fo rthe better. Carter should be remembered more for being the father of Alternative Energy. Most of the tech you see today was developed from his programs. But neither were of the stature of the FDRs etc. What Obama has in common is the ability to motivate and inspire, a huge intellect that is open, and a country in desperate need for all of the above.

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