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US: Religion & Politics (Pew 8/11-27)


Pew Research Center / Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life
8/11-27/09; 4,013 adults, 2% margin of error
Survey B: 8/20-27/09; 2,003 adults, 2.5% margin of error
Mode: Live telephone interviews
(Pew release)

National

As I name some groups, please tell me whether you feel each one is generally FRIENDLY toward religion, NEUTRAL toward religion, or UNFRIENDLY toward religion? (asked of Survey B only)

The Democratic Party:
29% Friendly, 39% Neutral, 22% Unfriendly

The Republican Party:
48% Friendly, 29% Neutral, 12% Unfriendly

Hollywood and the makers of movies:
11% Friendly, 34% Netural, 47% Unfriendly

News reporters and the news media:
14% Friendly, 42% Neutral, 35% Unfriendly

The Obama administration:
37% Friendly, 36% Neutral, 17% Unfriendly

Scientists:
12% Friendly, 42% Neutral, 35% Unfriendly

 

Comments
obamalover:

Unfortunately, religion isn't friendly towards equal rights for homosexuals. Bigots.

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obamalover:

Unfortunately, religion isn't friendly towards equal rights for homosexuals. Bigots.

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Field Marshal:

Unfortunately, liberals in the Democratic party think religion is mythology and demonize those that follow a particular faith. Bigots.

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Stillow:

That is true. Liberal intelectuals tend to beleive religions of all types are a scam and only for the weak minded. Liberal intelectuals like to beleive they are on par or beyond God....which is why they tend to actively attack the rules that various faiths instruct there followers to live by.

However many right wing religious icons abuse religion...use it for there own perosnal financial gain. I would hate to stand before God on AJudgement Day and try to explain to him tha the does not exist.....but I would also hate tostand there on that same day and explain how I abused his name and faith to enrich myself......both sides are guilty of bigotry in some way here.

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obamalover:

Field Marshal:

Thinking certain beliefs are wrong is not bigoted. Treating someone like a second class citizen is bigoted. You really need to improve your diction.

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obamalover:

@Field Marshal

Thinking certain beliefs are wrong is not bigoted. Treating someone like a second class citizen is bigoted. You really need to improve your diction.

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obamalover:

@Stillow

I would like to explain to me on judgment day why he thinks people should die for giving or receiving oral sex. I would like to know why he directly killed thousands of innocent Egyptian children instead of the Pharaoh himself.

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Field Marshal:

@Obamalover,

Thinking homosexuality is wrong is not bigoted. Treating those who believe in organized religion as second class citizens is bigoted. You really need to improve YOUR diction.

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Xenobion:

Many religions have condoned intolerance in the past, its not surprising why many people have a negative view of it. I similarly wouldn't use all religion to condemn homosexuality, in where some cultures respect attitudes towards them.

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Field Marshal:

@Stillow,

I would have to agree with your assessment. Huckabee can be one of those that tends to abuse his religion even though he is a fairly religious person.

Speaking of, why would any governor commute or pardon a sentence of a person he didn't know. Seems to me the liability of doing so is simply too great.

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obamalover:

@FM

Um actually I don't treat religious folk like second class citizens. I don't support certain laws that limits their rights. You are really having a tough time justifying your bigotry aren't you?

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Stillow:

obamalover

Sorry, I won't engage in a religious theory discussion.....but all I can say is that man is in no place to question the will of God. He created the Universe and life itself, paved the way for complexities such as evolution and free will. Man steps into a dangerous place when we begin to question God.

That's all I can tell you, man lacks the mental capacity to comprehend a being such as God. IMO its a dangerous place when we tell the creator of everything he is wrong. That's just me.

As g'ment is a man made instrument, I also support things like gay marrage and gays in the military. I support the rights of all to engage in the lifestyle they wish to as we were granted free will....

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obamalover:

@ X

Culture is different from religion. Almost every Abrahamic religion sees sodomy (that includes both anal AND oral sex boys and girls) as a mortal sin.

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obamalover:

@Stillow

Fine but there is something called the separation of church and state. You can believe in whatever you want. But you can't force religious law on other people. Unless you want to become like those Mid East countries that have Sharia law.

Furthermore, the "god's law" you are referring to is based on the bible which was written by man thousands of years ago, and which has been altered many many times since then. So even if there is a god the bible is hardly a reliable source of his laws.

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Field Marshal:

Um, i don't treat homosexuals like second class citizens either. I also don't support laws that limit their rights either. You are really having a tough time justifying your hatred for religion, aren't you?

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Stillow:

obamalover

Again, my beelif is we were granted free will....and one day will beheld to account for how used the gift of free will. My beelif is g'ment since its a man made instrument of law should be anaged by man with the backing of free will. But even you, who made some somewhat ahtiest comments about "if there is a god" get your morals from a religious foundation. Thou shall not kill for example.

Who decided killing i immoral and wrong? At some point a diety must come into play to provide the basis of rules. Otherwise, simply leaving it to man and man alone woudl bring chaos. As one mans wrong may be anothe rmans right.

I am not qualified to argue religious theory, just my own beleif. We were granted free will, each of us shoud have the right to use it and each of us will answer for how we use it.

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obamalover:

@FM

Most religious people do not support marriage equality and adoption equality. That is a fact.

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obamalover:

@Stillow

Atheists follow secular ethics. The goal of which is not to offend others within reason.

And the only reason why you believe what you do is because you were born in America. If you were born in India you would believe in multiple gods. All religion is is a reflection of the culture you were born into. You did not come to the conclusion that there is one god based on your free will, you just accepted it because of your culture. That is why atheists say religious people don't have a mind of their own.

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Field Marshal:

Yup, that is true. Most support civil unions which give the exact same rights as marriage including adoption. That poll was on here not too long ago.

Of course liberals do not support any mention of religion in school let alone support the teaching of basic religious thought. Not to mention there was a protest in my city not too long ago trying to take away the tax exempt status of the church because the bishop made some statements about abortion. So i guess liberals do not like religious people to have free speech either.

You see where i am going with this? It goes both ways. Some religions can be intolerant to some people while some people can be intolerant to religion.

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Stillow:

obamalover

On the contrary, religious people do have minds and utilize them as an ahtiest would. However, you are trying to use the extremely limited mind of a human to understand the divine nature of God. We can't do it, we lack the capacity to do that. Without the existance of a religious root in our morals, ahtiests would hav eno point at which to begin to say whats right and wrong. Because there are several relgiions means nothing, someone as complex as God can reveal himself in limitless ways.

I support your choice to be an athiest if you are....even a secular society is rooted in relgiious principles. Our sense of right and wrong stem from religion....it has to, because left to man it would be impossible to construct....because all men would have different opinions....for us to evolve and not have uter chaos, religios was reuqired to provide a moral focal point to guide our lives.

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obamalover:

@FM

We don't support teaching religion in science classes in Public Schools if that is what you mean. And why should religious institutions be given special tax rights over secular entities? If I have to pay taxes then they should as well. It has to do with equality.

Furthermore, you are saying you support separate but equal? So you don't believe in the Brown v. Board decision?

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obamalover:

@ Stillow

Actually in the ten commandments it says that there is only one god and to believe otherwise is a mortal sin. Yet over a billion people believe in multiple gods. Sorry but that argument makes no sense whatsoever. If you were born into a hindu culture you would be hindu. Like I said your religion is a reflection of your culture. Nothing more.

"because all men would have different opinions"

You just proved my point. You don't think for yourself; you think as a monolithic group. You really need to stop contradicting yourself. It is getting silly.

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Field Marshal:

@Obamalover,

There are many tax-exempt institutions. Religious institutions are just one of them. ACORN, the ACLU, Greenpeace are all tax-exempt. Not to mention that 45% of all people in this country pay no income taxes. So equality in taxation is a pipe dream.

There would be no separation. Its just a word that carries the same rights. Its like having a will and creating a new term, a "gill" that has the same legal authority. Not separate but it is equal.

Marriage has been a religious institution for nearly 2000 years. Its only in the last 200 that the government has got into the business of marriage. We should eliminate that and have all marriages be performed in a church, temple or synagogue and civil unions by the justice of the peace. Both would have the exact same "rights". Simple solution.

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obamalover:

@ FM

Not all of the Catholic Church's activities are charitable. All of ACORN's activities are charitable, as all their activities are non-profit and benefit the poor. And for some reason conservatives hate the poor, which is why they love to attack ACORN.

And sex slavery has been around forever. It is even in the bible. Abraham had sex slaves and bought and sold them freely. Should we make sex slavery legal because it has been around forever? That is such a stupid argument.

Anyhow, Your temple or church doesn't have to recognize or perform marriages, but the federal government does. There is something called the equal protection clause in the 14th amendment that says any state or federal law has to treat all groups equally. deal with it.

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IdahoMulato:

I'm a charismatic Christian and vote democratic for many reasons. I believe JESUS CHRIST is the only w ay to GOD and in the TRINITY. I believe in marriage as between man and woman. I believe in WHOLE LIFE. I believe certain religions are CULT. However, I don't the govt has to make laws as to who should marry who or what. Every human being can decide whoever, whatever they want to marry or have nuptial relationships with. I also believe in the separation of church and state. I know GOD destroyed SODOM and GOMORRHA due to vile affections, homosexuality or other such idalatory. The Bible plainly states in the New Testament, in Jude 1:7...
"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange (Greek: different, other) flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
Also, the New Testament explained in clearer terms why GOD destroyed Sodom and Gomorrha ..."For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet [Romans 1:26-27]." I don't think anybody who calls himself CHRISTIAN should interpret the above differently. That's why I welcome "civil union" for gay people but not "MARRIAGE." Others being gay don't affect me personally as the vile effections people practiced in Sodom and Gomorrha didn't affect Lot's family [who were just people] except his wife who was looking back logingly.

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obamalover:

@IM

Just because the bible tells you to be a bigot doesn't mean you have to be one.

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Xenobion:

There is more than 1 religion. Christianity has existed for about 2k years? I don't understand why the Christian definition of marriage serves as the predominant legal definition of marriage for our entire society.

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IdahoMulato:

I believe RELIGION, I mean all religions including Islam, should be taught at schools. My father calls himself Catholic but never went to church. My mother is a Methodist, went to church occasionally until she starated taking church serious after her 50th birthday. I was taught about all religions at primary and secondary school -- Christianity, Islam. Hinduism, etc. However, That rather made me a stronger Christian and I was able to share my beliefs to people of other religions due to the fact that I understand where they're coming from. You don't have to disparage other religions to get them to your side. I remember, I encountered a man who was born muslim but along the way his daughter had a strange illness. We shared the love of Christ to this man, made him laid his hands on her daughter after he had accepted JESUS as his personal savior and his daughter was healed. I can say in no uncertain terms that that muslim is now a a CHRISTIAN envagelist. That's the kind of love is missing in the US Christains, not all though. The Right Wing Christians in the US are the reason why Christianity is not growing the way it should. You don't win people to your side when you trash their religion and their culture. We have to understand why people believe in what they believe and use it to win them over. There're tons of ways to do that. That's why my I'm unshaken in WHO I believe and WHO I know came from Heaven to save me and made me His own. Think about these things!

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obamalover:

@ID

You can teach religion in a comparative religion class or something. But not in a science classroom. Is that what you want to do?

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Field Marshal:

"Not all of the Catholic Church's activities are charitable. All of ACORN's activities are charitable, as all their activities are non-profit and benefit the poor. And for some reason conservatives hate the poor, which is why they love to attack ACORN."

What part of a church's activities are not charitable? Second, the church receives no federal funding while ACORN and many other political entities do. ACORN is a corrupt organization and should be shut down.

Also, I am dealing with it. The clause IS treating everyone equally. A gay man has the same right as a straight one- the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. The clause does not grant them the right to alter the definition of something that has been previously established. Only a new law can do that. DEAL WITH THAT!!

Second, it seems that liberals hate the poor much more than conservatives. The church does ten times for the poor than the state does. They provide food, clothing and homeless shelters at a fraction of the cost that the state does it for all on charitable donations from mostly conservative constituents.

Meanwhile, the state does not help, it creates a dependency.

Just because other liberals tell you to be a bigot, doesn't mean you have to be one.

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IdahoMulato:

@ obamalover
I don't care about what you think or believe in or whether there're more religion or not. CULTS are CULTS. I love you even if you don't believe in the existence of God. However, I stand by what I believe in. You can believe in stones, trees, sea, water and so forth. I don't care.

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Field Marshal:

"There is more than 1 religion. Christianity has existed for about 2k years? I don't understand why the Christian definition of marriage serves as the predominant legal definition of marriage for our entire society."

Its the same for Judaism which is 5000 years old. And its because the country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. That's why.

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obamalover:

@FM

Much of the Catholic church energies goes towards proselytization and other religious activities. Duh.

The clause says the LAW has to treat everyone equally. Not the government. So if there is a marriage law it has to include everyone.

And before Brown v. Board they said black and white children could be treated equally in different schools. What the Court concluded was it is impossible to treat individuals equally who exist in different institutions. "Hence separate but equal is inherently unequal." Learn your history.

Actually I said conservatives not religion hates the poor. There are a lot of liberal religious people. Learn to read.

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Xenobion:

So we use this definition of marriage because the Country was founded on beliefs. Okay... So we just keep doing this the way we are because we've always been doing it that way? That's sort of dumb. Is there a Mayflower I can hop on to get away from religous persecution? I heard we were founded on that too.

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Field Marshal:

@Xm

LOL X, yeah, its been tradition. Nothing else. Seems like the people like it that way too since they are 31 for 31 in rejecting gay marriage. Also, its the liberals who are the one's persecuting. Just look at Obamalover and his crazy notions.

@Obamalover,

Sure, but much of ACORNs activities are to sign up Dems and to support dem candidates. Shouldn't the government be taxing them then? But again, the church receives nothing from the government except tax exempt status. I wish i could say the same for such corrupt organizations like ACORN.

And again, the LAW does treat everyone equally. It says EVERYONE can marry someone of the opposite sex. Its been rules on several times now. I have no reason to argue with you. You have every reason to argue with the justice system.

I know my history. Gays are not unequal. They can marry someone of the opposite sex just like anyone else. Learn the law!

Yeah, and i said conservatives like the poor much more than liberals since they donate to the church which does more good for them than the state, which does very little and liberals have a fetish for. Go back and reread the post.

And that is a typical childish liberal name-calling response. But i wouldnt expect much from someone with your level of intelligence. SEE I CAN DO IT TOO!

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obamalover:

@ FM

Actually our founding fathers were deists (Adams a unitarian and Franklin an atheist). In fact Thomas Jefferson rewrote the bible in which he removed any reference to the divinity of Jesus Christ.

ACORN political activities are targeted solely at promoting the interests of the poor, irrespective of political party.

The law can't discriminate against different groups. It can't say one group can marry and another can't. You are truly hopeless.

And I said there are religious liberals. Go back and read what I wrote. And the reason SOME conservatives contribute to their church is because they are afraid of going to hell, and not all the dollars they donated even goes to charity when you donate to a religious institution.

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Xenobion:

I thought this was pretty funny. Guy in California trying to get a ballot measure to ban divorce since the bible doesn't condone divorce. We should either admit we're a Christian nation and ban divorce or not. Seems pretty logical to me.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/01/AR2009120101055.html

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Field Marshal:

I guess me and more than half this country is hopeless according to you. They may have been deists but they wrote the constitution and DOI based on judeo-christian principles. That is FACT. Go and take a constitutional law class. Its clear as day and probably presented on day 1.

Regarding ACORN, sure, and if you believe thats their only goal, i have some land about 30 miles west of SF i'd like to sell you.

And AGAIN, the law isn't discriminating against any group. It says that ANYONE can marry someone of the opposite sex. The law defines what a marriage is. The law can be changed but it has nothing to do with 14th amendment.

So what if there are religious liberals. There are also conservative atheists. But most people of faith are conservative and most atheists are liberals. Conservatives donate a much larger percentage of their income to non-profits including the church which does many times more for helping the poor than ACORN will ever do.

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obamalover:

@ FM

I have taken a constitutional law class, and you clearly don't know what you are talking about. They based the foundation of the constitution on the principles of the Enlightenment.

It is inherent to homosexuality that you love and want to be with someone of the same sex. You argument is idiotic.

My point is you are attempting to project a quality of religion to conservatism. I'm pointing out that your logic is faulty because there are religious liberals as well.

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Field Marshal:

It apparently was a bad school because even Obama has said we are country founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs. Of course, he has said marriage should be between a man and a woman so i guess he's idiotic too. I would have to agree with you there.

Just google judeo christian constitution and look at the number of hits you get.

My argument is not idiotic by the way as it has been established numerous times by our judicial system. It doesn't matter who loves who, what matters is what the law currently states which is marriage is between a man and a woman. Plain as day. Don't know why it is taking you so long to understand that. I know you're a liberal but after a few times i would think even a liberal would get this!

I realize what your point is and mine is simply saying that the vast majority of conservatives are people of faith and vice versa. That conservatives care about the poor because they donate much more to help the poor than liberals do. No faulty logic there. Very simple and straightforward. Yes, there are religious liberals. But i'm going by percentages here. I know homosexuals who don't believe in gay marriage as well. That would make your logic faulty according to those moronic standards.

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obamalover:

@FM

Actually it is a top tier Law school.

Obama is a politician and like ALL politicians he says what he needs to to get elected. In 1996 he said he supported gay marriage. I find it curious he would change positions right before he ran for national office.

You get more hits for constitution and enlightenment. LOL!

And actually the Supreme Court hasn't ruled on gay marriage. And they are the ultimate arbiter of constitutional law. So no it is not established.

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011121:

They should have asked whether Islam was friendly neutral or unfriendly to religion. I suspect that the people surveyed were mentally replacing the term "religion" with the term "Christianity."

The GOP has been very friendly to Christianity but has also overtly attacked Islam (and other religions).

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Farleftandproud:

I like what Obamalover said. "Unfortunately, religion isn't friendly towards equal rights for homosexuals. Bigots"

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Field Marshal:

So you think Obama will change his position on gay marriage now that he is elected? Maybe, who knows. All i know is what he said. If you have some insider info on whether or not he's telling the truth, than that's fine. Otherwise its just speculation.

Check out the wikipedia link for Judeo-Christian. First paragraph. The constitution is based on enlightenment ideals like Locke and Hobbes but it is also from Judeo Christian ones as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Christianity

No cases have reached the supreme court or most lower courts because it wont hold up on the basis i put forth.

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Farleftandproud:

This poll shows that the Conservative evangelical Christians are painted by a different brush, than mainline protestants, more liberal catholics, jews, etc because the things they value are very different. The groups who condemn gay people and want to teach creation in the schools are portrayed different than the more interfaith approach of other groups. As a progressive Christian myself and I go to a church that tolerates gay people, I have a very different outlook on religion than many people in the US and around the world have. I think more fundamental religions create contreversy and more liberal churches and synogogues are upbeat and peaceful. I think they are like a silent majority in America.

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Farleftandproud:

The attacks on Acorn from some conservative pro-lifers at the tea partys were outrageous. As far as I know ACORN doesn't provide people abortions, it just gives people in inner cities the power to help get elligable people to speak their voice on the ballot as well as creating many jobs. I know ACORN quite well and know of people who have gotten their start there. In fact they have created quite a few jobs in the biggest city nearest to me. I wish the right wing would cut the crap and realize that ACORN has as much of a right to speak their voice as the National Rifle Association. As a liberal, if I had a sign that said "Abort the NRA" I would end up dead.

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