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VA: Obama 54, McCain 44 (Rasmussen-10/16)

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Rasmussen Reports
10/16/08; 700 LV, 4%
Mode: IVR

Virginia
Obama 54, McCain 44
Sen: Warner (D) 61, Gilmore (R-i) 36

 

Comments
Eternal:

Oh, Snap...

Does this mean VA isn't a true American state?

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alankeyesisawesome:

Isn't Rasmussen a Democratic pollster? They have been giving Obama leads in their polls recently, and I just don't buy it.

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PortlandRocks:

alankeyesisawesome educate I say! Rasmussen is a registered Republican. Why are you people in such denial? It's really scary in all honesty to me. It's like you don't understand the NATION is PISSED at your party for 8 years of utter hell. Good riddens!

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BOOMFAIL:

Uh, NO, rasmussen is in bed with Fox, and the furthest thing from a Dempcratic pollster.

This one took a while to get posted, but clearly Monday is Obama's day all around with all of the individual state data flowing today!

Two more weeks, my friends. Keep up the hard work, and don't get complacent, but........

LANDSLIDE BABY LANDSLIDE

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joethedummer:

when you gonna put your boomcrack hat back on alan?

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joethedummer:

when you gonna put your boomcrack hat back on alan?

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Nhoj:

interesting how susa tightens slighly in their VA poll and Rasmussen expands i really wish i could see Rasmussen's crosstabs but im not gonna pay money to look at polls.

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PortlandRocks:

VA loves socialism! Damn communists!:) LOL

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Viperlord:

Virginia: A true American state. Woooooooo!

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modrat:

Wow, there is virtually no way McCain can win without VA. VERY good news for Obama. VA going for a Democrat. The next thing you know the Tampa Bay Rays will reach the world series :)

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NorthernObserver:

They turned the color of VA dark blue!

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mj1:

There is no way that McCain can close this gap in 2 weeks or less, unless some off the wall miracle happens. If Virgina goes to Obama, it's game,set, match. Sheesh, Rassmussen has this by 10 friggin points. Why are we still talking about this?

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boomdoom:

150m is not even started trickling in.

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Mike A.:

Rassmussen is a republican pollster. They do polls with Fox sometimes. Buy that Alan.

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drinkwine247:

boom snap boow

HAHAHAHA

Who wants the funk....not to mention the ridiculously long lines of people voting early in Florida.....PEOPLE GET OUT AND VOTE, except Boomspank.

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Viperlord:

*Hammers another nail into the coffin of the McCain campaign* Hmm, only need one more nail.

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1503er:

What will be odd is if MO goes Red but Obama still wins the election. That rarely, if ever, happens right? My understanding is that however MO votes is who the winner ends up being.

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PortlandRocks:

Rasmussen may be a Republican but his reputation is on the line as a POLLSTER. Good results!

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Dan:

I think VA just went dark blue. ;-)

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straight talk:

LANDSLIDE ALERT! McCain is going to regret the day he picked his running mate and gave into his party. But his party is not going to forgive him if this causes them in the house and senate seats.

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BrookLynda:

Dark blue Virginia???

Put a fork in McPlanecrash and Mooseburgers, they are DONE.

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Pat:

IBD/TIPP O47 M41 Obama +6

This race nationally is about 5-7. I still beleive majority of McCain support comes from deep red states.

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drinkwine247:

1503er,

That was not true in 2000 either, everyone seems to have forgotten, they stole that election, they didn't win it!

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Viperlord:

Umm no. MO isn't even close to necessary.

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PortlandRocks:

1503er MO won't go red. 1 poll recently shows McCain up 1. Another a while back McCain up 1. 2 pollsters Obama 6+/ GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!:)

RCP Average 10/11 - 10/19 -- -- 48.8 45.8 Obama +3.0
Suffolk 10/17 - 10/19 600 LV 4.0 44 45 McCain +1
Rasmussen 10/15 - 10/15 700 LV 4.5 52 46 Obama +6
CNN/Time 10/11 - 10/14 763 LV 3.5 48 49 McCain +1
SurveyUSA 10/11 - 10/12 546 LV 4.3 51 43 Obama +8

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Rollin08:

This must be that "surge" Boom was talkin about..

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OneAngryDwarf:

Where is boomshak, someone put out a missing persons.

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Viperlord:

LOL, he's here, with his new favorite alias.

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Rollin08:

Is this the Sunday that things where supposed to be even by or is that next Sunday?

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IWillWorkHarder:

Ok I've got to say alankeyes is joking--it was the "my second cousin's husband says there were WMDs" is some other thread that aroused my suspicions but now it's just too ridiculous to believe this guy is serious.

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drdr:

But we know that votes cast in communist North Virginia don't count, because that is not the "real" Virginia.

The electoral votes are allocated based on results from the "real" South Virginia, where McCain is still likely to win.

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Viperlord:

It's the Sunday that exists only in boom's head.

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Eternal:

@ Pat,

You would be right, here are the current margins for McCain in deep red...


OK- +31
UT- +32
TN- +20
WY- +25
SD- +15
SC- +15
NE- +21
MS- +11
ID- +33
AZ- +13
AK- +13
AL- +24

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1503er:

Good luck with what PortlandRocks. You seem to be very close minded when it comes to posters on here. Take me for example. You assume that I'm a McCain supporter based on my posts and then put on your passive aggressive hat in response to me.

So lame how if you're not 100% rah rah Obama landslide win then you're branded a McCain supporter. You're clueless. I put in hours at the local Dem. HQ here, I have Obama signs in my yard and on my truck.

I am voting for McKinney since I live in CA and can afford to vote for a liberal 3rd party candidate. I'd like to see the Greens get enough votes for their ideas to get entertained by the winning party.

My hope is that Obama wins nationally.

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Viperlord:

Lol, according to McPathetic, any area that leans to the left is un-American.

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Robi:

This is soo crazy that Ras has Obama up by 10 in VA.

Although I have heard that VA polls odd sometimes and their results don't always come out the way people would expect.

BTW alankeyes is satire for all those who don't get it. I didn't until recently but that's because people like boomboom make Stephen Colbert look serious.

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Rollin08:

Sorry alankeyesisawesome or Boom or whatever. We have to give you crap about your predictions though!

Our fun is not about the race, it's still not over. I just put in my vote for Obama though.

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OneAngryDwarf:

@IWillWorkHarder

You've obviously never seen a Freeptard troll before. :-)

I'd love to think that alankeysisadolt is too stupid to be for real. But that mean I'd be underestimating the stupidity of the American people.

Remember there a substantial portion of this country that doesn't believe that the Earth revolves around the Sun. An even bigger portion of it believes that the Earth is only 5000 years old and that people walked with dinosaurs.

Very scary stuff when you think about it. We live in an era where man has the capacity for unlimited amounts of destruction and there are people out there who can't seperate fact from superstition and fiction.

I'll just let that soak in for a moment...

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carl29:

I'm back kids!!!!!!!!!!

I voted for Obama, and I wasn't alone :-) There was a huge line of people at the Coral Gables Library in Miami, FL. It took me 3 hours to wait for my turn. It was worth it!!!
There were young and old, women and men. There was a sweet old lady right before me, around +70, and displaying her "Hillary women for Obama" button :-) There were a lot of young people from University of Miami. A fantastic day in Miami !!!!

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Pat:

Let the GOP Blame Game Begin

James Carville and Paul Begala write:

"We have a message for our Republican friends: It is time to point fingers. We are pro-finger-pointing. And here's the most important thing about finger-pointing: you have to start early"


I really want to see Hannity's face on election night. For the first time, I will be watching Fox.

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1magine:

Obama people attend rally have tires slashed.
Obama supporters in Fl. have death threats left in mailbox for yard signs.
Women canvassing for Obama is punched in face.
Voters in NC on SUnday were heckled and threatened as the waited on line to vote, while the sheriff stood by.

We've seen the crowds, the racist language. The guy with the monkey. We've heard the rhetoric meant to incite racial division, fear and hate. Even Colin Powell's endorsement was catigated by members of the media as race based (ignoring the dozens of other conservatives who have jumped ship from the Chicago Sun Times to the Dallas Star, from Kathleen Parker to Christopher Buckley) And we are starting to see the results.

Let me be the first to say:

1. I am not afraid.
2. I will not be intimidated
3. If anything further should happen to an Obama supporter or volunteer, let alone the candidates, I believe we should hold Sydney and his campaign personally responsible. They are inciting violence, they are attempting to intimidate and suppress the vote - THEY ARE ANTI-AMERICAN TERRORISTS and should be sent to Guantanamo.

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kerrchdavis:

It seems to have become consensus on this forum that any person, regardless of alias, that sounds like a complete right wing blowhard with a severe lack of logic, a huge chunk of bias and who constantly spews right wing talking points is..well...boomshak.

I think there might be some truth to that. There can only be a handful of people on this planet that stupid. They can't all be here.

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ThisLandIsMyLand:

Hmm...methinks Palin needs to cross Virginia off her list of pro-American places in the country.

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Trosen:

Good times carl. I voted at the Lemon City library on Biscayne and 62d. Already a line before 7am. Great turnout.

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jamesia:

"alankeyesisawesome:
Isn't Rasmussen a Democratic pollster? They have been giving Obama leads in their polls recently, and I just don't buy it."

Now THAT was a good one, lol... I need to be more careful on this site apparently. I burst out laughing while in my quiet office area...

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Hoosier:

I was just emailing a friend today that this race will effectively be over before 8pm on election day. While the networks won't "call a winner" until west coast polls have closed (which is only fair), we'll know by 8pm.

Virginia polls close at 7pm and North Carolina's at 730. If either of these states are blue before 8pm, there is really no way for mcSlime and Evita Palin to make 270.

Next stop, McSlime goes off to a rest home while Barbie tries out for "Dancing With the Fascists" coming soon to FOX

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IWillWorkHarder:

@ oneangrydwarf

I've seen plenty of trolls; I'm just saying that there's something about alan's syntax and "arguments" that seems just a little off. So alan, if you're a satirist, you're a little *too* good at it, cause people aren't getting the joke.

Boomshak, on the other hand, I take to be legitimately deranged.

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Rollin08:

Wow 1magine nice post!

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gdva2008:

I was at a Obama rally in VA last week and I am NOT surprised at all that he is leading by 10.
Virginia is NOT turning blue anymore, it already is.

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Nowukkers:

These numbers are great for Obama. My primary concern, however, is the renowned scorched-earth vote-suppression tactics that the GOP will inevitably have in store for election day. The trouble with polls is that they do not factor in the dirty tricks that, I will bet my hard-earned money, will occur in the high-value marginal states like Florida and Ohio, and to a lesser extent VA, NC, NV and MN. On another note, alankeyesisveryspecial, I admire your optimism in the face of all odds, but your relationship with reality is seriously challenged. If the GOP hadn't spent so much of the last 12 years trying to fashion their thousand-year Reich - sorry - permanent Republican majority, they would be in the precarious position they find themselves in today. They stood on a lot of toes, as well as using the military for their own sordid political gain, and screwing up the world economy (deficits do actually matter), and the chickens are now coming home to roost. What's truly frightening is the large proportion of people who want to give them the keys to the family car again, after they just totaled it. Vote guys and gals. It's really important. Vote, or they'll take that right away from you too.

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Rollin08:

Time for us Americans to stand up.

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JCK:

Hoosier,

The networks will call a winner as soon as they can call 270 electoral votes in states where the polls have closed and the outcome is clear.

If Obama gets 270 votes before CA closes, they will call the race.


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OneAngryDwarf:

@IWillWorkHarder

Yeah I agree with you about boomshak, that dude has seriously gone of the rails in the last month or so.

He used to be kind of funny in a stupid way but now he's just another Freeptard, cutting and pasting the next big "Obama gotcha."

He's basically stopped responding coherently and now just rants. I can't imagine what the inside of his trailor will look like on Nov. 5th.

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kdc_va:

Virginia should be dark blue by the current numbers, but I have to believe it will be a struggle for Obama to win here. At least McCain campaign is doing a good job of losing it--Pfotenhower called Northern Virginia not "the real Virginia", Joe McCain called Alexandria and Arlington counties "a communist country", and they sent that retarded robo-call out statewide which will also hurt him.

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Nowukkers:

Sorry. "...would NOT be in the precarious position ..."

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Pat:

@1magine:

Great post. I totally agree. We need more serious attention to this issue from the media.

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Traynor84:

Let me help Boom and Alan spin this...

"Everyone knows that Virginia has always been about socialist values! They're a bunch of unpatriotic commies! I don't care if the military is all there, they hate America too! Everybody who doesn't hate Obama hates America because that's what the McCain camp tells us to tell you!"

Sorry Alan... sorry Boom... you'll have another shot in four years. In the mean time, we (Democrats) will perfect our fifty state strategy, and in 2012, you'll have an even harder time beating us (while you're trying to rebuild your party).

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1503er:

Nowukkers,

Exactly. The voter suppression tactics you talk about is my #1 concern too.

I think it's exactly the reason why Gore or Kerry didn't win.

When I speak about it on here I'm vilified as a McCain supporter. I hope the same doesn't happen to you. Probably not tho because you seem more articulate and eloquent than me.

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carl29:

Trosen,

It was faster there? My location was very, very busy. I got there at around 12:00 waited for 3 hours as I told you, and when I came out there was still a line of about 100 people waiting to get in. They had to cut the line right there because they will spend the next hours processing those people. This is just amazing :-)!!!

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OneAngryDwarf:

@1502er

Here is why I believe that voter fraud will be less important this year than in years past. Previously the Democratic strategy was limited to certain key battleground states like OH and FL, which had certain key disadvantages like a Republican SOS and Gov. The way that the Electoral maps turned out there just weren't that many "paths to victory" for a Democrat, and the road ran right through a Republican controlled state.

Now of course thanks to the 50 State Strategy, Obama has a plurality of paths that will get him to 270 and most of them go through states that have Democratic controlled SOS and Governors. While it might be possible to disenfranchise some voters it is unlikely that the GOP can launch a campaign that is that sweeping without running into some opposition from the Dems.

Also Team O has been way more proactive with regards to these voter fraud issues than either the Gore or Kerry teams. They have lawyers filing motions in OH and MI, they are pounding the pavement and they are organized and ready to go.

All-in-all the Obama campaign is really at the top of its game and I for one don't worry that they won't be able to solve any problem that confronts them.

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mac7396:

This is the end. Beautiful friend. This is the end. My only friend, the end. Of McCain's elaborate plans, the end.

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zhimbo:

@Everyone!

alankeyesisawesome doesn't even TRY to be coy. It's ongoing performance art. He's prone to praising Alan Keyes' singing voice for goodness' sake.

Don't take him seriously.

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BOOMFAIL:

In final polling throughout the state of VA for the primaries, Barack Obama was repeatedly crushing Hillary Clinton.

FINAL POLLING OBAMA CLINTON
Survey USA 60 38
Mason Dixon 53 37
Insider Advantage 52 37
RAMUSSEN 55 37

ACTUAL RESULTS 54 29

For those that say Obama will under-perform on election day from his polling, this should eliminate that talk. Most telling to me is the accuracy of Rasmussen in VA for Obama's support above. Today's 10 point lead for Obama vs. McShame is very good news indeed!

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PortlandRocks:

NBC news - McCain, meanwhile, spoke to a weekday crowd of 2,000 in St. Louis, Missouri, where he and supporters branded Obama a liberal and criticized feminists and the media as they rallied their conservative base in hotly contested Missouri. Obama drew 100,000 in St. Louis on Saturday.

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alankeyesisawesome:

yes...i will be one to admit that turnout for obama has been high thusfar...HOWEVER....it would be jumpiing to conclusions to say all those folks are going to obama...it is just as likely (and my suspicion) that they are voters disillusioned with obama's promise of socialism. mccain will win in a landslide. and btw...NoVa isn't the real VA...just an extension of DC.

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1503er:

Ok, but what about the voting machines themselves? Diebold?

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OneAngryDwarf:

@1503er

If there are massive voter inconsistencies like say McCain wins MI or PA. My bet is that Team Obama will be on the ground challenging those results within minutes. They have a team of lawyers and they are well aware of what happened in the last two elections.

They have already said that they are going to swiftly contest any voting issues and they have people in place.

Breath deeply...

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PortlandRocks:

In regards to voter fraud. Dems are ready this time. Anyone hear the AP story about Obama's lawyer army in Florida? 5,000 laywers volunteering to be at polling stations Nov. 4th. ****heads! HA!

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BOOMFAIL:

@PortlandRocks:
"NBC news - McCain, meanwhile, spoke to a weekday crowd of 2,000 in St. Louis, Missouri, where he and supporters branded Obama a liberal and criticized feminists and the media as they rallied their conservative base in hotly contested Missouri. Obama drew 100,000 in St. Louis on Saturday."

WOW. What a pathetic showing on McShame's part! If only he had Palin with him, The ONE, The Messiah, HEH! Then he could have really gotten turnout to at least 4,000.

Obama brings 100,000 to St. Louis, then 75,000 to Kansas City in the same day, in a RED state! MO, your my new bff.

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OneAngryDwarf:

@BOOMFAIL

Yeah that NBC News story reminds me of a couple of months ago when O was speaking to that massive crowd in Germany.

Then they cut to McCain standing in a supermarket in front of the dairy section talking to some reports. It was like that, only in MO.

BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH!!!

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boomshak:

HEY MOONBATS, REMEMBER THIS?:

suggests Kerry has lead in swing states
Last Updated: Sunday, October 17, 2004 | 9:15 PM ET

CBC News

John Kerry appealed to African-American voters on Sunday, as he pushed ahead with his campaign to unseat George W. Bush.
Kerry promised the voters, many of whom feel the Republicans are trying to keep them off the voter lists, "We're not going to let this be just a repeat of 2000. We're not going to see a million African-Americans deprived of their votes in America," he said.

With just 16 days to go until the vote, the race couldn't be tighter.

Polls suggest a dead heat. Even Republican organizers concede the Democratic senator has benefited from his performance in the three presidential debates.

And a Washington Post poll shows Kerry with a significant lead in important states that could decide the outcome of the election. The poll found Kerry held a 53 per cent to 43 per cent lead among likely voters in 13 such states.

While Kerry was campaigning in two of those states on Sunday - Ohio and Florida - Bush took the day off, choosing instead to concentrate on a major speech on terrorism he is scheduled to deliver in New Jersey on Monday.

Continue ArticleAnalysts say it is the handful of crucial swing states, like Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida that will be most important on Nov. 2. Those states will be heavily targeted by both campaigns in the closing weeks of the race.


YEP, 3 WEEKS TO GO AND KERRY AHEAD IN SWING STATES BY 10.

Sound familiar?

"No chicken counting pre-hatched!"

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Republicans=Ignorance:

BOOMFAIL

The actual result in the VA primary was Obama by 63.6% to 35.4%. (You listed the delegate count.)

Obama outperformed his poll numbers.

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BOOMFAIL:

Ya, it's just too bad for the wingnuts, that the battleground states of 2004 are not the same as 2008. VA, CO, IN, OH, NC, FL, MO, etc.

McShame loses ONE, and IT IS DONE!

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1503er:

boomshak,

Exactly.

My personal opinion (which is vilified here) is that there will be much hand-wringing in Democratic households come Nov. 4th.

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BOOMFAIL:

@Republicans=Ignorance
Thanks for the correction! Your info obviously is even better news!!

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PortlandRocks:

Anyone know anyone who will get the RAS #'s early? I ain't payin' $29.99 to get 'em! LOL

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IndependentThinker:

@boom****

What the **** you're talking about?
How dare you to compare the political environment in 2004 with the current one?

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boomshak:

NEW REPORT! EARLY FLORIDA VOTING:

Lots of folks voting early in FL. So far, McCain leads by 200,000 votes...developing.

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PortlandRocks:

boom**** national polls were a dead heat in 2004. Today? NO DEAD HEAT. YOU ****ING MORON.

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OneAngryDwarf:

I'm sure someone will post them here shortly. Someone somewhere on the Internet is a premium member, we just have to wait for our turn.

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boomshak:

RCP doesn't do math well. He is showing TIPP +6. It is +5.

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mysticlaker:
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PortlandRocks:

Oh well +5 is a big difference from +6! LOL

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jonny87:

another reason why this aint a done deal...

'John McCain's campaign manager says he is reconsidering using Barack Obama's relationship with Reverend Jeremiah Wright as a campaign issue during the election's closing weeks'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/20/rick-davis-were-rethinkin_n_136173.html

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boomshak:

@mysticlaker:

new abc poll:

Yep, I have a new poll out from Rush Limbaugh. He has McCain up by 5 and I swear it's just as accurate as the steaming pile from ABC.

Face it, between now and election day you just have to discount any MSM Poll as pure propaganda to drive the news cycle.

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OneAngryDwarf:

@jonny87

That might have worked a month ago, but it seems pretty clear now that McCain needs to look less desperate not more desperate.

People have seen through this and he is becoming a serious drag on the Republican brand name at this point. No one wants to be associated with this kind of hate and division. People have stopped responding to it (except the base) and if he brings it up now he is just refreshing the meme that he's way behind and doing anything and everything to win.

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IndependentThinker:

@boom****

FYI:

Battleground State Polls - RCP Final Averages
Poll | Date

Bush

Kerry

Nader

Spread
Florida | 10/25 - 11/1

48.2

47.6

1.0

Bush +0.6
Ohio | 10/25 - 11/1

48.8

46.7

Off Ballot

Bush +2.1
Pennsylvania | 10/25 - 11/1

47.2

48.5

Off Ballot

Kerry +0.9
Iowa | 10/25 - 11/1

47.6

47.0

1.0

Bush +0.3
Michigan | 10/25 - 11/1

45.2

48.7

1.5

Kerry +3.5
Minnesota | 10/24 - 11/1
45.3

48.5

5.0

Kerry +3.2
Wisconsin | 10/23 - 11/1

47.7

46.8

1.7

Bush +0.9
Missouri | 10/22 - 10/31

49.5

45.3

Off Ballot

Bush +4.2
New Hampshire | 10/26 - 11/1

47.5

48.5

1.3

Kerry +1.0
Nevada | 10/27 - 11/1

49.7

46.0

-

Bush +6.3
West Virginia | 10/25 - 10/29

51.5

43.0

-

Bush +8.5
New Mexico | 10/26 - 11/1

47.8

46.4

1.3

Bush +1.4
Oregon | 10/25 - 10/29
45.0

49.8

-

Kerry +4.8
Colorado | 10/25 - 11/1

50.5

44.5

1.0

Bush +5.2
Maine | 10/21- 10/30

41.5

51.0

1.0

Kerry +9.5
New Jersey | 10/27 - 10/31

42.0

49.0

2.0

Kerry +7.0
Arkansas | 10/27 - 10/31

49.5

45.5

-

Bush +6.5

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fed:

Joh Kung just said that some top level republican strategists want to pull out of Colorado to invest that money in PA

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boomshak:

@IndependentThinker:
@boom****

FYI:

Battleground State Polls - RCP Final Averages

You just proved my point asshat. The polls tightened by 10 points in the last few weeks as Pollsters start to worry about actually being right.

2 weeks before 11/2004, Kerry was ahead in BG states by 10. 2 days before election, it was a statistical tie.

Thanks for proving me right moooron.

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boomshak:

NO PARTY WEIGHTINGS, ABC?

As far as I can tell, ABC is not sharing the party affiliation of their sample.

Just shocking that.

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jonny87:

@OneAngryDwarf

i know it would look desperate, but id rather it didnt come up!

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GriffStep:

@everyone

I'm confused: why aren't state polls tightening following the tightening in the national numbers? Is there an explanation available yet?

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boomshak:

I actually LOVE ABC and their bogus, bias weighted polls. Make all the moonbats think it's in the bag for Obama.

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jonny87:

NC early voting

Party
Dem 55.7%
Rep 27.9%
None 16.4%
Age
18-29 10.8%
30-44 17.5%
45-64 41.1%
65+ 30.6%
Race
White 68.2%
Black 28.0%
Other 3.8%
Sex
Men 43.5%
Women 55.6%

You kids better turn out!

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jonny87:

a page worth bookmarking to keep up with early voting

http://elections.gmu.edu/early_vote_2008.html

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1503er:

jonny87,

The youth vote will be exactly what it's always been... a disappointment.

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boomshak:

Top Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008

Name Office Party/State Total

1.Dodd, Christopher J S D-CT $133,900 *

2.Kerry, John S D-MA $111,000

3.Obama, Barack S D-IL $105,849

4.Clinton, Hillary S D-NY $75,550

5.Kanjorski, Paul E H D-PA $65,500

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IndependentThinker:

@boom****

Go through the below link and show me the evidence that 2 weeks before the 2004 election day Kerry was ahead by 10 in battleground states SUCH AS VA,OH,CO,IA,FL,NC,NV,PA,MI,WI,MN,MO etc
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry_sbys.html

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gymble:

@boomshak

a) Believe what you want to believe. But the polls in this election are not even remotely close to what they were four years ago. This set of graphs pretty clearly illustrates the difference.

Scrolling down to 2004, Bush and Kerry were within spitting distance in terms of electoral votes right up until the election. While there may have been the odd week where Kerry was ahead in the battleground states, Bush also had plenty of weeks like that. In the end, the election came down to just two: Florida and Ohio. Either one flipping blue would do it for Kerry.

This year, the trends, and the battlegrounds are entirely different. Except for that brief period around the RNC convention (and, of course, the time much much earlier in the year which doesn't count), Obama has ALWAYS had a lead in electoral votes. States that were battlegrounds last time (Wisconsin, Iowa, New Mexico, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania) have moved substantially into Obama's column. And Obama even appears to be locking down Virginia, Colorado, and Florida of all places. Obama's just in a far better position than Kerry by any metric.

b) That said, it's not over. Nate Silver puts McCain's chance of winning at 6.9%, which feels about right. But he's got it a lot tougher than Bush.

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boomshak:

GAS PRICES EXPECTED TO BE $2.25 A GALLON BY ELECTION DAY.

Stock market up 5% (400) today alone.

Will this cause problems for Obama?

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GriffStep:

@alankeyesisawesome, boomshak,

I have to agree with you guys that Obama is likely to lose. This latest Rasmussen poll just confirms what I have suspected for some time: certain unscrupulous Democrats have discovered his painkiller addiction and are using it to blackmail him into joining the chorus of MSM polls whose sole purpose is keeping down GOP turnout on November 4th. In fact, if one throws out the polls with obvious pro-Obama biases, a very encouraging picture emerges for McCain in all the swing states. I predict that he wins with 271 EC votes at a minimum.

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Cho:

the abc-poll is the start of their daily tracking poll.

@boom: they do mention party-id: the spread is dem +7 among lv, just the same as rasmussens

also, only 3% of obama-voters say theres a good chance, they may still change their mind, the number is twice that high for mccain-voters

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Atomique:

Thank you Sarah Palin!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you! You are the best thing that ever happened to the Democratic Party!

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boomshak:

@Cho:

Thanks, but still doesn't matter. MSM polls are just too agenda driven to be trustworthy this close.

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Atomique:

@ boomshak:

How dumb do you think American voters are? Jesus. "Oh, gas prices are down and the stock market is up a little bit, so I'm going to vote for Palin/McCain now."

Seriously. America is not voting for Barack Obama because gas is expensive, or because of the daily value of the Dow Jones index. They are voting for Barack Obama because he is the superior candidate, because he wants to talk about the actual issues at stake, because he actually has ideas on how to solve them that he has been consistent on, and because he is an inspirational orator of the highest degree.

McCain has no message, he has no ideas, he has nothing but smears and his spunky sidekick, neither of which is popular among anyone except the right-wing Republican base which was not going to vote for Obama anyways.

The elephant is dying. Get used to it. It's over, Republicans. It's time for change. America is fed up.

Obama/Biden 2008

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GriffStep:

@boomshak

Yes, the good economic news will undermine Obama's attempt to win with his politics of fear.

It seems likely that McCain's sensible tax policy and free market approach to health care should fare better once everyone realizes that the free market is so much more efficient at allocating resources than the government. If health care is too expensive for some people, or because of their poor lifestyle choices they are denied coverage, that's a perfect example of the market working to weed out inefficiencies.

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GriffStep:

@Atomique

Most American voters aren't dumb; it's in the margins. There's a small slice of undecided voters who are vacillating between choosing the "father figure" (McCain) or the "mother figure" (Obama). They know in their hearts that daddy (McCain) is right, but he's so stern and they are scared. So right now they run to mommy (Obama). But in the end they'll come back to daddy. Plus, Palin is a better mommy than Obama.

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Atomique:

Poor lifestyle choices! Ha! Yeah, blaming the poor for their own poverty is going to make them vote for McCain in *droves*. Good strategy. Go all for it, and let's see where we're at on November 4.

Seriously. Go. Go knock on some doors in a poor part of town, and tell them to knock off their choice of not being rich, and vote for McCain.

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UpstateProgressive:

Wow! Not only does Ras have Obama up by 10% in VA, but the pollster.com composite has Obama up by nearly nine (52.4-43.5). Obama must be getting some votes from even the Pro-America parts of the state.

I still remember one of the top McCain people in VA saying that Obama was wasting time and money by putting a big effort into Virginia. He would never win it. I always believed VA was winnable and I'm glad Obama and Plouffe did too. Now a victory in VA looks very solid indeed and if Obama wins this state it will almost clinch the election in itself.

Three cheers for ignoring the Conventional Wisdom.

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Atomique:

Also try that parental metaphor on the voters too. They'll *love* it.

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GriffStep:

@Atomique

When canvassing in poorer neighborhoods, I prefer not to bring up health care too much. There's no reason to bring up a subject that causes so much stress to them. It's better to remind them that McCain is like them, that he shares their values, and to remind them that while this is America and of course we welcome people of Obama's faith, our values are ultimately Christian values. Then we pray together. If health care comes up, I like to remind them that under Obama's plan they would be waiting in gigantic lines just like everyone in Canada.

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Knyght:

@GriffStep

"while this is America and of course we welcome people of Obama's faith, our values are ultimately Christian values. "

Um... you do know that Obama's a Christian don't you?

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Viperlord:

Fail. Obama is a Christian, and this is NOT a Christian nation, and our Founding Fathers didn't want it to be. Freedom of religion exists for a very important reason. I love how the Right hates Iran, but wants to make us more and more like them. Heh.

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Obama008:

@alankeyesisawesome:

No Rasmussen is a fairly right leaning poll, but they are fair. I Trust this poll out of most other polls, the only other polls I trust even more is Quinnipac.

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ThisLandIsMyLand:

boomshack - Where are you getting your Fannie and Freddie statistics? Can you please cite a source? Are these corporate donations or donations from employees who just happen to work for those companies? Did you include all the money Rick Davis recieved in the McCain total? ;)

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alankeyesisawesome:

@Obama008

And I really trust someone with the name of that terrorist-sympathizer to tell me which polls are accurate. Gimme a friggin break!

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boskop:

@thisismyland_poor us
with voters informed to your low low level, it is no wonder obama is winning.
boomshak's stats are common knowledge among those who do not swoon to force feeding BS.

in fact, why not go find who ran these organizations and who opposed regulating them?

then report back to us, and tell us what you found.

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The Decemberist:

I just came home from Obama's appearance here in Orlando. It was amazing! Reports estimate that there were 50k people and I am not surprised. I think we (as a state) might redeem ourselves this year!

Obama/Biden '08!

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joethedummer:

@The Decemberist:


awsome news,florida should be solid blue soon!


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venpry:

@GriffStep

"Yes, the good economic news will undermine Obama's attempt to win with his politics of fear. "

Interesting... a McCain supporter claiming that Obama is running on "politics of fear". The McCain campaign at this staged is based solely on creating fear; fear that Obama "pals around with terrorists", fear that he's a closet socialist, fear that he "doesn't see America the way we do" and by your very own admission that Obama's health care plan will result in people waiting in lines for Health care like they do in Canada. It seems to me that all the McCain camp has left at this point is fear.

The argument that positive movements in the Dow and/or gas prices will have a substantial impact in the election is a stretch at best. While the negative movements last month may have provided the initial impetus for the electorate to move left, McCain's bumbling of the situation left an indelible impression for many swing voters of someone who lacks the temperment and judgment to handle crisis; which is probably why he abandoned the "steady hand on the tiller" argument between the second and third debates and began moving to the "politics of fear". While the root cause of the move may appear to have dissipated a bit in the short term, the impression is still there. Just ask Secretary Powell.

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NoMcSame:

Voting machines in West Virginia are switching votes from Obama to McCain!! http://wvgazette.com/News/200810180251?page=2&build=cache

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bmrKY:

"Rollin08:
Is this the Sunday that things where supposed to be even by or is that next Sunday?"

Rollin, I think Boom**** has McCain poised to take the lead the Sunday after the election. The race will DEFINATELY tighten by that point.

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bmrKY:

"boskop:
@thisismyland_poor us
with voters informed to your low low level, it is no wonder obama is winning.
boomshak's stats are common knowledge among those who do not swoon to force feeding BS.

in fact, why not go find who ran these organizations and who opposed regulating them?

then report back to us, and tell us what you found."

I didn't think it was possible, but you might actually be dumber than boom.

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Awwa:

@Decemberist and @joethedrummer

Yes I am seeing Florida turn blue to deep blue too! That is great news for Obama! Decemberist, your state, like my own (Virginia), may yet redeem themselves this election!

I will not rest though! Nor should any of us! It isn't over until it's over! Perhaps this is the one hard lesson these pirates have been teaching us these last 8 years. We can never become complacent, or take for granted these rights and freedoms, or as sure as there are those who would take them away, we will lose them all!

Be vigilant! And VOTE!

Peace,

Awwa
\A/

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