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VT: 2010 Sen, Gov (Rasmussen 6/17)

Topics: Governor , poll , senate , Vermont

Rasmussen
6/17/10; 500 likely voters, 4.5% margin of error
Mode: Automated phone
(Rasmussen release)
Update: Senate

Vermont

2010 Senate
64% Leahy (D), 29% Britton (R)

2010 Governor
47% Dubie (R), 40% Markowitz (D)
55% Dubie (R), 36% Shumlin (D)
51% Dubie (R), 36% Racine (D)
55% Dubie (R), 29% Bartlett (D)
52% Dubie (R), 32% Dunne (D)

Favorable / Unfavorable
Patrick Leahy: 69 / 30
Len Britton: 26 / 32
Deb Markowitz: 55 / 30
Peter Shumlin: 43 / 41
Brian Dubie: 61 / 30
Doug Racine: 48 / 34
Susan Bartlett: 31 / 38
Matt Dunne: 38 / 31

Job Approve / Disapprove
Gov. Douglas: 65 / 34
Pres. Obama: 62 / 37

 

Comments
StatyPolly:

Dubie rolling!

Pass it around.

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Farleftandproud:

No I know Rasmussen is full of crap. Lets see how they can f up VT.

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Field Marshal:

How can they F up VT? Its just cows and ski resorts? What's there to F up?

Farleft, remember when Killington tried to succeed from VT and join NH even though they are 40 miles from the border? That was funny.

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Gatecrasher:

Another unanticipated GOP win. There seem to be more every day, like Oregon and New Mexico as well.

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Farleftandproud:

I am going to tell the Democrats tonight at a Pizza party to start being more aggressive. Most states in the country are "dog eat dog" when it comes to politicians. The governor we have now is like very moderate, and came more or less from a humble background; Dubie is the kind of guy who thinks he can buy voters like a Meg Whitman or Bloomberg on a smaller scale.

The thing about this poll is how many people on Rasmussen oppose Arizona's law and give Obama a 62 percent approval. That is rasmussen at that. I think as the election comes closer, VT will probably want to go in the opposite direction of the rest of the country.

Obama needs to make a trip up here for Markowitz. She'll be the likely nominee and the only one who will be able to defeat the "big money".

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Gatecrasher:

Maine is also a likely GOP pickup. Massachusetts maybe too. Republicans must be getting close to 35 after the election.

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Farleftandproud:

The GOP won't pick up Mass since you have a third party. Vermont has had a very moderate GOP governor; once Dubie is unmasked, the voters would have to be complete fools to vote for him, especially if 60 percent of the same people approve of Obama. I don't think Whitman will win in CA.

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Farleftandproud:

I just forwarded this poll to all the organizers and volunteers whose email I have. I warned them to not take this race for granted.

The good thing about Rasmussen is when there is a race that is close to home, I use it to scare other Democrats into spending more time on helping out with the campaign.

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Louis:

Vermont currently has a Republican Governor and it is common for them to elect Republicns to that office.Of course a Vermont Republican would be run out of town as a commie in much of the South and West.

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Rockym92:

Vermont has elected their current republican governor to 4 terms in office. Dubie has been Lt gov the entire time and has gotten the 2 highest vote percentages of any Lt governor in the states history. Obviously he is liked in Vt.

Farleft, what kind of big money are you talking about? Dubie has been a pilot for american airlines and in the airforce. He was won medals for his service at ground zero and hurricane katrina in the process. Dubie is a very moderate republican. What kind of scare tactics are you gonna use to get your lib buddies fired up for this race? I'm sure he is going to get alot of the democrat vote.

Anyway, most say this race is a toss up as of now. Worry aout this race in a couple months once they start campaigning.

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Farleftandproud:

Dubie outspends his Democratic rivals by huge margins. Democrats also have had bad candidates for LT governor. The thing about Dubie is the Democrats have not done a good job at attacking him.

Markowitz is a strong candidate. I am not thrilled with any of the other Democrats and two of them have already lost to either candidate.

Besides, even if Dubie isn't that bad, I think after 8 years it is time for a change. If the other states are all going to go backwards to elect Bush era governors or Tea baggers, I think VT can move forward.

The GOP has been the party of no, and they don't even deserve to gain seats as the Dog catcher in my opinion. This country has such a short memory and will never be happy with any congress or any president in this era.

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Rockym92:

So you are not happy with the direction that Vermont has been going in the past decade or so?

What is there to attack on this guy? He seems squeaky clean to me. Just attack him for the sake of attacking him? You're better than that. Dem and rep politicians in Vt are basically the same anyway. You just like the shiny D next to the name. Who cares about anything else, right?

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Farleftandproud:

He may be fairly moderate, but than again I was hoping Thompson was going to win Mayor of NY, after Bloomberg outspent him. Of course Dubie isn't exactly, Sharron Angle, but I think VT can do better.

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melvin:

Rasmussen have the Democrats losing in 34 of the 37 Gov races.Now what does that tells you? It tells you the Republicans are going to have 40 governorships.Now do you people really believes the Democrats are hated that badly.The Rasmussen poll is going to be the biggest laughing stock in this Country after the Midterms.

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Field Marshal:

Now do you people really believes the Democrats are hated that badly.

YES!

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Farleftandproud:

Vermont had that third party guy Pollina running in the last few elections and he isn't in it this year. Many Democrats didn't campaign very hard for the Democrat because Pollina was such a spoiler. We more or less campaigned for local candidates, the Senate and house, and Attorney general. I got pretty fed up with telling other people from the far left not to throw away their vote.

The Democrats at least will be united to support just one candidate. I would not be surprised to see a libertarian or T party candidate try to jump in.

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Huda:

why would Rasmussen be full of crap? This is Vermont and its about a governor candidates. Being a Republican in any New England States is like having a democratic candidate in the deep south, while the democratic one is as liberal as they come, more so than NY or MS.

Can we just analysis the actual polling results and let these companies fall or rise come election day.

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Huda:

why would Rasmussen be full of crap? This is Vermont and its about a governor candidates. Being a Republican in any New England States is like having a democratic candidate in the deep south, while the democratic one is as liberal as they come, more so than NY or MS.

Can we just analysis the actual polling results and let these companies fall or rise come election day.

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Farleftandproud:

Well at least when Gov Henry won in OK and Begich won in Alaska and Tester won in MOntana, the incumbent party had held their respected seats for many years. Well AL and Montana, the GOP guys who lost had probably been there for 4 or 5 terms. Oklahoma had a long run of Republican governors.

California, VT and Mass from 1990-2006 had long runs of GOP governors. The difference is that it is good for their to be a party change and throw the incumbent out.

States like MI, PA, and WI, I hope the Democrats win, but at least they have had 8 years of a Democrat in the statehouse.

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Country Club Repub:

Vermont is a backwards state filled with inbred farmers, hippies, and canadian wannabe's. But at least they know the benefit of having a republican govern them.

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nick283:

Rasmussen also has Democrat Beebe dominating in Arkansas, that must mean he is faking it because of some desire to help the candidate. Governors races are about state issues for the most part. Yeah, there are some people that only vote for one party or the other, but there is probably some reason in Vermont for this guy to win. I honestly don't care that much who the governor of Vermont is, but good for Dubie

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Farleftandproud:

I am going to actually ignore Country club Republican's statement. If VT was a backwards state filled with inbred farmers (It is the old Vermonters living on the back streets who vote Republican usually)

As for hippies, and canadian wannabe's, that only makes me happy. I wish these ideas would penetrate to the rest of the country.

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jmartin4s:

Farleft, are most dems in your community leaning towards Markowitz or someone else. I think Deb wouldbe the strongest for this one.

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Farleftandproud:

Actually well paying jobs have declined considerably since Howard Dean left this state, and even though our unemployment rate isn't as bad as other states, I think it is time for a new direction.

I live in this state, and I honestly know nothing about Dubie and for someone who follows politics like I do and see very few articles about him, and his web site is so vague. The same guy who ran Mcdonnell's campaign in VA is going to be Dubie's PR person, and we all know what that guy has been like.

It is like Dubie doesn't have a platform at all Douglas has been a pretty good governor, but Dubie, never spends much time in Southern VT. Dean was here a lot and was on tv a lot.

I am disappointed in Howard Dean because he has done little campaigning here in VT and has been in every other state. I am going to get a lot of questions answered tonight at my Democratic pizza party. NY state in contrasts has already launched about 100 attack ads against Gillibrand. Vermont needs to be a little tougher when it comes to campaigning.

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Farleftandproud:

I don't know anyone other than my own relatives who like Dubie. MOst everyone I know, doesn't even know what Dubie looks like. I like Markowitz the best and think she can win.

This is a good year for women, and VT has had a Democratic woman governor before. I don't think this state is as sexist as Mass. It is probably because there are not as many Catholics in VT as Mass.

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nick283:

Wow, he got McDonnell's guy. Good work for him. That was one heck of a margin of victory.

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Farleftandproud:

Yeah, but I don't think a guy who worked for a homophobic, sexist, anti-premarital sex, self proclaimed theocrat is going to be something to brag about in this state.

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Aaron_in_TX:

Vermont has one of the most efficient, least corrupt, and non-intrusive state governments in the country. Plus, it operates in the black. When I visited Montpelier, I actually got to talk to some VT legislators, and they all loved Jim Douglas.

Small states tend to have good state gov't. They have the advantage of low costs, low demand for services and the ability to respond directly to a lot of citizen concerns.

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Country Club Repub:

VT should either choose between joining canada or rejoining NY. They are too small and do not contribute much of anything of note to deserve to be a state.

They would be right at home in canada, whose white population actually sounds less educated than our southern white population, if you can believe that. VT has nothing to offer besides bad tasting ice cream. VT lacks a notable university, and it shows in their intellect, they lack notable city worth visiting. They are not worth the representation of two senators they get at the federal level.

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Farleftandproud:

Thank you Aaron. Yes, this state has some honesty left in politics. Douglas was a pretty good governor. The only thing he ever did that bothered me was his gay marriage veto which the legislature was able to overide. Besides from that he has been okay.

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Farleftandproud:

Country Club Repub:
VT should either choose between joining canada or rejoining NY

I would love to see VT join Canada, but NY is way too corrupt.

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Farleftandproud:

Country Club Republican VT lacks a notable university, and it shows in their intellect;

UVM, is one of the finest state Schools in the country. You've got Middlebury which has high academics.

"They are not worth the representation of two senators they get at the federal level. "

You only say that because we have to outstanding progressive senators. I could say that Wyoming, Alaska, Idaho, South Dakota, North Dakota and many red states aren't worth representation as well because they are also underpopulated.

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nick283:

Uh, self proclaimed theocrat? really? please show me when he said that we should have religious clergy or something to that effect running the government. This ought to be enlightening. Also, pretty sure the guy isnt a sexist and you really have no basis for that one either. Homophobic... I would disagree. I suppose you are one of those who think that not wanting to change the legal definition of marriage to fit any and all lifestyles is homophobic though.

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Country Club Repub:

NY is corrupt because its run by the dems and has a liberal population which is needed for corruption to exist. Oh and RI should not be a state either for the same reasons. That would be 4 less dem senate seats.

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Farleftandproud:

Ted Olson, a very conservative judge, in CA actually believed that gays should have the right to marry based on the constitution. He challenged the gay marriage ban. It isn't just liberal humanists like me.

Mcdonnell wrote a thesis when he was 32 in grad school at Pat Robertson's Regent university, and not only did his writings condemn gay rights, it condemned the actual gay people themselves. He also said that a woman's place is in the home, which obviously isn't exactly the way things are anymore. Based on his thesis he had a very 1950's religious conservative outlook on things.

He also stripped away rights for state workers not be protected if they were gay. He and his right hand man Cucinelli, are taking Virginia back about 40 years.

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nick283:

Eh, Vermont lacks a notable university (middlebury is a great liberal arts college though), but who cares. A lot of states dont have that. I'm not one to defend vermont, but the states with Stanford, Berkley, UCLA, Northwestern, and the University of Chicago are certainly in much worse shape.

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nick283:

Yeah, he probably thinks homosexual behavior is immoral. A lot of people think that. I am sure you are not out there condemning any religious muslims for this viewpoint however. Still, how is he a theocrat? You didnt really explain that one. Being religious is not the same thing as being a theocrat. Do you think Lincoln was a theocrat?

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Farleftandproud:

Lincoln wasn't a theocrat. Most of our founding fathers weren't either, especially Thomas jefferson. I don't know when the influence of conservative Christianity started to really take shape in American politics, but it seems to have only gotten worse instead of better. It seems like Phylis Shamley, Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson sort of shaped the Christian right.

When I read parts of Mcdonnell's thesis, and have seen some of his policies as governor, what else am I going to think? If he wasn't a theocrat he would have left things as they were. This was simply the right not to be fired for being gay; it had nothing to do with gay marriage or civil Unions.

I am so glad Ted Olson took a stand against his party. I wish he would take a stand against Rush Limbaugh's slander and help create a standard of ethics on radio.

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Farleftandproud:

And also I don't see Muslims in America going around condemning publicly against gay Americans. They may believe it is wrong, but they at least seam to have some respect.

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Country Club Repub:

You must be joking Far Far left if you think UVM is one of the finest schools in the nation. Don't feel bad that VT is a heap of uneducated ultraliberals. Just think how poor your state test scores would be if you weren't 99% white. VT would be in Alabama territory if it had just a 5% black population. I would gladly ship thousands of blacks from the projects of Philly, at my own expense, to vermont to put this theory into effect. And I would wager that VT would rethink the liberal cause if they had just a little taste of what the rest of us have to put up with.

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Juan Chin:

You mean Rascrap has Leahy - A VERMONT INSTITUTION - ahead with 64 percent????? THis is the only Democrat Rascrap has this far ahead. What bunk!
Once Vermont voters see this Dubie character for what he is . . . the Dems will beat him!

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Farleftandproud:

I learned a lot about Dubie tonight, and I think he can be beat, if enough people show up. He is not all that moderate; he is anti-choice, and anti-civil unions making him further right than Douglas. He is more like a NH Republican, and after 6 years of Douglas, he was in another state and he admitted that VT was the 47th worst state to do business. Be badmouthed his own state.

I learned another thing; yes he does have Bob Mcdonnell's campaign person, but he will soon realize Vermont doesn't do attack ads. It isn't illegal, but isn't customary. I have helped out with so many campaigns in Mass and they are notorious for doing attack ads. NY state loves to run attack ads for every single issue.

In VT It is up to the newspapers and tv news to have opinions. Dubie's web site is extremely vague, and it is up to the press to keep him honest and find out who this man really is.

By the way, shame on the GOP for denying people unemployment benefits again. Obama needs to make an executive order and be firm to his opponents. He needs to just take charge and realize, that if we are going to lose seats let make some progress now, so one day, our country can be happy someone made corporations accountable.

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Farleftandproud:

I think I am fairly sane in comparison to country club Republican. I think we all are.

I never insulted Philadelphia other than a few times when I mentioned about a few cases of police brutality.

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seg:

Al Gore fans, please don't read this:

Can you believe the complaint made to the police by the Oregon woman who accused Gore of sexually assaulting her: "He was a crazed sex poodle..""

It doesn't get much better than that!

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Farleftandproud:

I would be more likely to believe the pope raped a an alter boy before I would believe that Gore raped a Oregon woman.

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Farleftandproud:

What kind of colleges a state has does not make it more advanced or less advanced. Dartmouth is in NH, but is just a stone's throw from the border.

Vermont ranks one of the top tem for primary and secondary education. It has grown more in the past 30 years than it had in the previous 200. It has come a long way in the past 40 years. New industry and small businesses have thrived here, regardless of all the nonsense you hear that VT isn't business friendly.

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Country Club Repub:

So farleft, I take it you would not welcome black refugee's from my city to your state? I think it would be an interesting senario. Our local liberal leaders here have failed them, could Vermont perhaps successfully integrate them into their white and also liberal society?I happen to think most people in VT are of the baser sort and in fact racist towards blacks.

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tjampel:

This one's all for you Country Club Repub
2006 rankings from
http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank06.htm

2006-2007 Smartest State Award

#1 Ranking is "Smartest"

2005-2006 RANK
CHANGE RANK STATE


1

Vermont

18.57

1

0

Arizona

-17.61

50

0

So...let's see; VT, bastion of stupid inbred hippies ranked #1 in the US. AZ, bastion of conservative ideology and ideologues...#50. You should toast this result with one of your "bourbons" at the "club".

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StatyPolly:

Did you bother to check methodology, TJ?

You're dissing a lot of Dem voters with that one.

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Country Club Repub:

I can tell that link is fabricated simply by Jersey's ranking at number 4. Have you ever been to Trenton NJ tjampel? How about Newark? Half the kids there in the projects never even graduate and certainly never lasted long enough to take these ranking tests. But they count overall in my book. Go talk to these inner city kids and see firsthand the lack of basic intelligence, by the first word out of their mouth you will understand. I will pour my bourbon and laugh at you. Your revolution has ended far left and tjampel, condolences….. the bums!!!

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Aaron_in_TX:

"Half the kids there in the projects never even graduate and certainly never lasted long enough to take these ranking tests."

I heard Christie say something like that. I had to laugh. Half don't graduate in the inner cities! OMG! Half!

That is remarkable success.

In TX the graduation rate for the state as a whole is just above 60%. In the poorer urban districts we're lucky to get 35%.

People can go back and forth on what state sucks and what state doesn't. I don't trash talk other states, particularly ones I've never lived in. I do point out what I see as the negative aspects of my own state, but I've lived here all but 4 years of my life in 5 different parts of it, so I know its good and bad points.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"Go talk to these inner city kids and see firsthand the lack of basic intelligence, by the first word out of their mouth you will understand."

Because the way someone speaks reflects their IQ? Just like all black people are great basketball players and all Asians are good at math, right?

Your statement is an egregious insult, blatantly prejudiced, and is close to violating the "intelligent and civil" rule of this site.

I have taught students from inner cities and many of them are in fact quite intelligent and excel when given the chance and proper motivation. Their intelligence level is usually the least of their problems.

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Country Club Repub:

Yes, the way someone speaks is a great indicator to gauge their IQ, their ability to learn as well as succeed in life. I would dare say that such factors as their ability to balance a personal budget or dress themselves has a basis in human intelligence. There is no greater advocate for these malcontent minorities than myself. I am landlord to over 80 of them and they receive more assistance in this life from a white Republican miser like myself than they do from a faceless democrat in the municipal or state government.

I do apologize for departing from the subject of this rassmussen poll and its good prospects for the next Republican governor of VT

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Aaron_in_TX:

"Yes, the way someone speaks is a great indicator to gauge their IQ, their ability to learn as well as succeed in life. I would dare say that such factors as their ability to balance a personal budget or dress themselves has a basis in human intelligence."

Oh...my....God.

I wear suits with some frequency and have a balanced checkbook. I must be a genius!

So I guess someone who has a southern accent is stupid right? I mean, they don't speak with a professional sounding patois. Oh, but I guess you were referring to a minority dialect or slang.

So does anyone who speaks a foriegn language not have basic intelligence? Or speaks English with an accent? This might shock you... but Einstein spoke heavily accented English.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-1Z2wi2uSA

Stephen Hawking can't even use his voice. He certainly can't dress himself. I guess that makes him a freaking idiot.

"There is no greater advocate for these malcontent minorities than myself."

Yes, you advocate for these "malcontents" so well as you put them down, insult their intelligence, but nonetheless collect their rent.

Maybe you're kidding, because I can't believe someone would say such things. Perhaps this is all a parody. I refuse to engage with you any further unless you walk back these insufferably prejudiced and bigoted comments.

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Aaron_in_TX:

In fact, you might want to get over your prejudice long enough to get in touch with Stephen Hawking. He's the only one smart enough to help you build a time machine to take you back to the 19th century when your views were more acceptable.

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tjampel:

StatyPolly:

Did you bother to check methodology, TJ?

You're dissing a lot of Dem voters with that one.

Posted on June 25, 2010 1:07 AM

This firm crunches numbers and publishes ratings. I've used this site before for research. That's how they earn their keep.

If you'd like to examine the methodology they use feel free. Go there; ask around. Do some work. That's not my point, which by this comment, you seem to have failed to grasp.

The point...btw....making wholesale off the cuff remarks about the population (or majority of the population) of an entire state is foolish, frequently bigoted, and not an appropriate comment for this website.

Yes....the ratings of states cuts both ways. DUHHHHH...who the hell cares. I'm not posting on this thread to advocate for Dems. My own political affiliation means nothing other than how my own personal beliefs influence how I vote. There are brilliant GOPers and stupid Dems. There are Racist Dems and ...Jack Kemps. Those who spew inanities such as "Republicans are racist, Dems are stupid hippies" don't belong here. If you believe that you don't belong here either.

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tjampel:

@Fm
I do apologize for departing from the subject of this rassmussen poll and its good prospects for the next Republican governor of VT

No you don't. Proof is...you doubled down with yet another hateful post about kids in Trenton. Please stop posting on this site...period.

I'd ask anyone else here who's equally offended to grab some of the highlights of CCR's hateful postings and send them to the moderators of this site. These kinds of comments don't belong on this site.

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Field Marshal:

tjample, i assume you meant to direct that post towards Country Club, not FM. Probably just force of habit... LOL!

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Field Marshal:

So I guess someone who has a southern accent is stupid right?

According to many of the uber-left on here, yes.

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Farleftandproud:

tjampel:
This one's all for you Country Club Repub
2006 rankings from
http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank06.htm

2006-2007 Smartest State Award

Thanks for sticking up for VT!

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Farleftandproud:

In some ways web sites like this one are a good way of venting. There are some very strong opinions. It is like the progressives are like Al Franken or Barney Frank, and the conservatives are more like John Inhofe, Michelle Bachman or Dick Cheney. Few of us hold back.

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Field Marshal:

Aaron,

I remember an article in The Economist magazine about a year ago that did in fact correlate intelligence with speaking ability, namely correct grammar usage.

Obviously, its a statistical inference and not a firm fact so there are outliers as you pointed out. The article, and i think what Country Club is talking about, are native-born speakers.

Its a touchy subject and one cannot paint a broad-brush and assume someone who talks with an urban dialect or southern accent or Boston accent, etc are ignorant. But statistics show the correlation is there with grammar, not accent.

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tjampel:

FM;

Yes...I did. Farce of habit I guess :-)

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tjampel:

FarLeft;

I love VT and feel that it has a social conscience similar to what I experience in my own part of town (in NYC). It believes in the community taking care of its residents irrespective of their circumstances.

I also kind of like the fact that it would elect a Republican Governor AND Bernie Sanders and support both strongly. They run a tight ship locally but definitely have a vision of social and economic justice which they are not afraid to project nationally.

I guess Republicans might say that they are careful about spending their own money and happy to spend other people's money. That's just fine with me...so long as the money is put to good use.

I've also enjoyed cross-country skiing and hiking in VT; however...for hiking I prefer NH (gotta be honest). I've climbed Mt Washington (highest mountain in the Northeast at 6288 ft) 7 times now I think. Never get tired of it.

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